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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 388108 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199711 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pvd |
| State Reference | RI |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pvd |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | SF 340A |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Helicopter |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 4 controller non radar : 20 controller radar : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 388108 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
The SF34 was being vectored on a right downwind for the visual runway 23 approach. VFR helicopter traffic was 2 mi off his right and I had planned to follow the helicopter with the SF34. The MVA in the area is 1800 ft (1 1/2 mi to the east of the SF34 the MVA drops to 1500 ft). The SF34 was turned to a 90 degree heading for his base to final turn. Concurrently a C172 (VFR) at 2200 ft was preceding inbound on the ILS runway 23 localizer. The C172 was not cleared for the approach, was instructed to make a left 360 degree turn at the marker so as to fall in behind faster traffic behind. The cessna began his turn inside the marker (1/2 - 3/4 mi) which made me descend the SF34 to 1500 ft to avoid the C172. In reflection I believe that the SF34 should have been first instead of the helicopter which would have made the MVA line a moot point and the overall operation a lot smoother.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR DSNDS AN IFR SF34 BELOW THE MVA ALT DUE TO SEQUENCING AND CLOSE SPACING ON FINAL APCH.
Narrative: THE SF34 WAS BEING VECTORED ON A R DOWNWIND FOR THE VISUAL RWY 23 APCH. VFR HELI TFC WAS 2 MI OFF HIS R AND I HAD PLANNED TO FOLLOW THE HELI WITH THE SF34. THE MVA IN THE AREA IS 1800 FT (1 1/2 MI TO THE E OF THE SF34 THE MVA DROPS TO 1500 FT). THE SF34 WAS TURNED TO A 90 DEG HDG FOR HIS BASE TO FINAL TURN. CONCURRENTLY A C172 (VFR) AT 2200 FT WAS PRECEDING INBOUND ON THE ILS RWY 23 LOC. THE C172 WAS NOT CLRED FOR THE APCH, WAS INSTRUCTED TO MAKE A L 360 DEG TURN AT THE MARKER SO AS TO FALL IN BEHIND FASTER TFC BEHIND. THE CESSNA BEGAN HIS TURN INSIDE THE MARKER (1/2 - 3/4 MI) WHICH MADE ME DSND THE SF34 TO 1500 FT TO AVOID THE C172. IN REFLECTION I BELIEVE THAT THE SF34 SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST INSTEAD OF THE HELI WHICH WOULD HAVE MADE THE MVA LINE A MOOT POINT AND THE OVERALL OP A LOT SMOOTHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.