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Light transport commuter instructed to taxi on active runway but hold short between 2 runways, sees no hold line and apparently taxies too far.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 383585 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199710 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : stl |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 383585 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Called stl ground for taxi instructions. Gave us unusual taxi route then changed it. He then instructed us to taxi via the airline ramp (which is not listed anywhere on the airport diagram). Then taxi via taxiway D to runway 6 and hold short of runway 12R. After clearance to cross runway 12R, we were told to hold short of runway 12L. The problem being after crossing runway 12R there is not enough clearance after crossing runway 12R to hold short. And because runway 6 doesn't intersect with runway 12L, but rather is displaced about 500 ft before the approach end of runway 12L, it's hard to tell where the hold short line is if any. The tendency is to taxi too close to the approach of runway 12L. Corrective action: don't use an active runway for standard taxi operations especially in st louis, where the volume of traffic is heavy. Isn't that why we construct txwys?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT COMMUTER INSTRUCTED TO TAXI ON ACTIVE RWY BUT HOLD SHORT BTWN 2 RWYS, SEES NO HOLD LINE AND APPARENTLY TAXIES TOO FAR.
Narrative: CALLED STL GND FOR TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. GAVE US UNUSUAL TAXI RTE THEN CHANGED IT. HE THEN INSTRUCTED US TO TAXI VIA THE AIRLINE RAMP (WHICH IS NOT LISTED ANYWHERE ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM). THEN TAXI VIA TXWY D TO RWY 6 AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 12R. AFTER CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 12R, WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 12L. THE PROB BEING AFTER XING RWY 12R THERE IS NOT ENOUGH CLRNC AFTER XING RWY 12R TO HOLD SHORT. AND BECAUSE RWY 6 DOESN'T INTERSECT WITH RWY 12L, BUT RATHER IS DISPLACED ABOUT 500 FT BEFORE THE APCH END OF RWY 12L, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHERE THE HOLD SHORT LINE IS IF ANY. THE TENDENCY IS TO TAXI TOO CLOSE TO THE APCH OF RWY 12L. CORRECTIVE ACTION: DON'T USE AN ACTIVE RWY FOR STANDARD TAXI OPS ESPECIALLY IN ST LOUIS, WHERE THE VOLUME OF TFC IS HVY. ISN'T THAT WHY WE CONSTRUCT TXWYS?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.