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An air carrier B767 flight crew reports that the teb and jfk ground controls use the same frequency (121 pt 9) and often teb xmissions will be heard at jfk causing some confusion. Additionally, some jfk controllers use non standard phraseology when reading clrncs with more potential for error.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 382160 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199709 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk airport : teb |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : vgt |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 18 flight time total : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 382160 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Teb ground control bleeds over, interfering with ground at jfk. This is particularly hazardous at a field where vast numbers of foreign crews transit, and odd snatches of identifiable numbers and instructions can be heard on frequency, not issued by jfk. Additionally, crew was given an extensive rerte just prior to departure, and the controller used the phraseology '...J1 18 direct (NAVAID), J75 direct (NAVAID).' again, at a place where there is a language barrier, it is especially unconscionable for a controller to use such non standard phraseology. Direct means direct, and 'J79' or what have you, means 'J79.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR B767 FLC RPTS THAT THE TEB AND JFK GND CTLS USE THE SAME FREQ (121 PT 9) AND OFTEN TEB XMISSIONS WILL BE HEARD AT JFK CAUSING SOME CONFUSION. ADDITIONALLY, SOME JFK CTLRS USE NON STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY WHEN READING CLRNCS WITH MORE POTENTIAL FOR ERROR.
Narrative: TEB GND CTL BLEEDS OVER, INTERFERING WITH GND AT JFK. THIS IS PARTICULARLY HAZARDOUS AT A FIELD WHERE VAST NUMBERS OF FOREIGN CREWS TRANSIT, AND ODD SNATCHES OF IDENTIFIABLE NUMBERS AND INSTRUCTIONS CAN BE HEARD ON FREQ, NOT ISSUED BY JFK. ADDITIONALLY, CREW WAS GIVEN AN EXTENSIVE RERTE JUST PRIOR TO DEP, AND THE CTLR USED THE PHRASEOLOGY '...J1 18 DIRECT (NAVAID), J75 DIRECT (NAVAID).' AGAIN, AT A PLACE WHERE THERE IS A LANGUAGE BARRIER, IT IS ESPECIALLY UNCONSCIONABLE FOR A CTLR TO USE SUCH NON STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY. DIRECT MEANS DIRECT, AND 'J79' OR WHAT HAVE YOU, MEANS 'J79.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.