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B767 PIC report on an near midair collision with a foreign carrier on a visual approach to lax. Reporter laments the fact that ATC lost control of the situation in not making this other aircraft go around after he overshot his assigned runway and not only merged within his TCASII but descended through his altitude. Reporter had to go around and then went through 4 different runway assignments prior to landing.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 380833 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199709 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
| Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 380833 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 400 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Near miss on lax approach, frequency 120.95, altitude 2000 ft. Socal approach/lax tower. Location: ILS runway 25R, taxiway left. On approach to lax we were switched from runway 25L to runway 25R to accommodate an A320 that was high at our 9 O'clock position and who was cleared visual to runway 25L. Approach informed us that he had us in sight. Other flight appeared approximately 1500- 2000 ft above us in a high bank/sink as he attempted a play for runway 25L. As we switched to lax tower the other flight was disappearing to almost directly above us at our 8 O'clock position. TCASII showed him 300-400 ft above us. We asked tower if he still had us in sight and they responded that they were not talking to him. TCASII showed our plots merged in the 5 mi scale the entire time. When he moved below us at 400 ft, the TA became an RA and we responded to the climb message by executing a missed approach. It is my opinion that approach should have directed the other flight to discontinue his approach when it became apparent that his high sink/track was going to cross our path and overshoot him across the runway 25R localizer. This was unsafe. (We received approximately 4 runway changes after the missed approach before landing on runway 24R -- too many for a high density environment.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 PIC RPT ON AN NMAC WITH A FOREIGN CARRIER ON A VISUAL APCH TO LAX. RPTR LAMENTS THE FACT THAT ATC LOST CTL OF THE SIT IN NOT MAKING THIS OTHER ACFT GAR AFTER HE OVERSHOT HIS ASSIGNED RWY AND NOT ONLY MERGED WITHIN HIS TCASII BUT DSNDED THROUGH HIS ALT. RPTR HAD TO GO AROUND AND THEN WENT THROUGH 4 DIFFERENT RWY ASSIGNMENTS PRIOR TO LNDG.
Narrative: NEAR MISS ON LAX APCH, FREQ 120.95, ALT 2000 FT. SOCAL APCH/LAX TWR. LOCATION: ILS RWY 25R, TXWY L. ON APCH TO LAX WE WERE SWITCHED FROM RWY 25L TO RWY 25R TO ACCOMMODATE AN A320 THAT WAS HIGH AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS AND WHO WAS CLRED VISUAL TO RWY 25L. APCH INFORMED US THAT HE HAD US IN SIGHT. OTHER FLT APPEARED APPROX 1500- 2000 FT ABOVE US IN A HIGH BANK/SINK AS HE ATTEMPTED A PLAY FOR RWY 25L. AS WE SWITCHED TO LAX TWR THE OTHER FLT WAS DISAPPEARING TO ALMOST DIRECTLY ABOVE US AT OUR 8 O'CLOCK POS. TCASII SHOWED HIM 300-400 FT ABOVE US. WE ASKED TWR IF HE STILL HAD US IN SIGHT AND THEY RESPONDED THAT THEY WERE NOT TALKING TO HIM. TCASII SHOWED OUR PLOTS MERGED IN THE 5 MI SCALE THE ENTIRE TIME. WHEN HE MOVED BELOW US AT 400 FT, THE TA BECAME AN RA AND WE RESPONDED TO THE CLB MESSAGE BY EXECUTING A MISSED APCH. IT IS MY OPINION THAT APCH SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED THE OTHER FLT TO DISCONTINUE HIS APCH WHEN IT BECAME APPARENT THAT HIS HIGH SINK/TRACK WAS GOING TO CROSS OUR PATH AND OVERSHOOT HIM ACROSS THE RWY 25R LOC. THIS WAS UNSAFE. (WE RECEIVED APPROX 4 RWY CHANGES AFTER THE MISSED APCH BEFORE LNDG ON RWY 24R -- TOO MANY FOR A HIGH DENSITY ENVIRONMENT.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.