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MD80S aircraft in cruise received holding instructions which were not clear to flight crew. Asked 4 times for clarification and finally an ATC supervisor clarified instructions, but still not with standard terminology.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 375590 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199707 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ifi |
| State Reference | OK |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zfw enroute other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 375590 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| ASRS Report | 375589 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On a direct course to ifi, ATC issued holding instructions to hold east of ifi right turns, 2O mi legs. I asked if that meant hold on the 090 degree radial, and he said yes 20 mi east of ifi. I asked a third time what exactly the clearance was and a supervisor said hold east on our present inbound radial, 20 mi legs. Standard verbiage would have helped.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80S ACFT IN CRUISE RECEIVED HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS WHICH WERE NOT CLR TO FLC. ASKED 4 TIMES FOR CLARIFICATION AND FINALLY AN ATC SUPVR CLARIFIED INSTRUCTIONS, BUT STILL NOT WITH STANDARD TERMINOLOGY.
Narrative: ON A DIRECT COURSE TO IFI, ATC ISSUED HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD E OF IFI R TURNS, 2O MI LEGS. I ASKED IF THAT MEANT HOLD ON THE 090 DEG RADIAL, AND HE SAID YES 20 MI E OF IFI. I ASKED A THIRD TIME WHAT EXACTLY THE CLRNC WAS AND A SUPVR SAID HOLD E ON OUR PRESENT INBOUND RADIAL, 20 MI LEGS. STANDARD VERBIAGE WOULD HAVE HELPED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.