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CL65 regional jet cleared for the profile descent. Over ywt at 13000 ft completing checklist first officer, PNF, advised captain they needed to cross ricki 11000 ft and 250 KTS. Expedited descent was begun -- reaching 11000 ft just past ricki. Center queried flight as to crossing restr.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 361660 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199702 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ywt airport : yyz |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : czyz |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival : profile descent arrival star : star enroute airway : czyz |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 425 |
| ASRS Report | 361660 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 9500 |
| ASRS Report | 361505 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We had been given the profile descent runway 24 for toronto/pearson international (cyyz). We had just passed ywt VOR at 13000 ft and captain (PF) called for descent checklist. I initiated descent checklist and then noticed that we were 1 mi from ricki (intersection on the descent profile). Profile calls for 11000 ft and 250 KTS at ricki. I pointed this out to PF and we began immediate 4500 FPM descent and reached 11000 ft (and 250 KTS) 2 mi past ricki. Just as we had begun this descent toronto center told us to begin our descent immediately and that we were supposed to be at 11000 ft at ricki. We acknowledged this as we were already descending. He then switched us to next controller. We checked in level at 11000 ft at 250 KTS with this new controller (2 mi past ricki here). Nothing more was said about it to us. As far as we could determine, there was no other aircraft involved, and no loss of separation occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL65 REGIONAL JET CLRED FOR THE PROFILE DSCNT. OVER YWT AT 13000 FT COMPLETING CHKLIST FO, PNF, ADVISED CAPT THEY NEEDED TO CROSS RICKI 11000 FT AND 250 KTS. EXPEDITED DSCNT WAS BEGUN -- REACHING 11000 FT JUST PAST RICKI. CTR QUERIED FLT AS TO XING RESTR.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN GIVEN THE PROFILE DSCNT RWY 24 FOR TORONTO/PEARSON INTL (CYYZ). WE HAD JUST PASSED YWT VOR AT 13000 FT AND CAPT (PF) CALLED FOR DSCNT CHKLIST. I INITIATED DSCNT CHKLIST AND THEN NOTICED THAT WE WERE 1 MI FROM RICKI (INTXN ON THE DSCNT PROFILE). PROFILE CALLS FOR 11000 FT AND 250 KTS AT RICKI. I POINTED THIS OUT TO PF AND WE BEGAN IMMEDIATE 4500 FPM DSCNT AND REACHED 11000 FT (AND 250 KTS) 2 MI PAST RICKI. JUST AS WE HAD BEGUN THIS DSCNT TORONTO CTR TOLD US TO BEGIN OUR DSCNT IMMEDIATELY AND THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AT 11000 FT AT RICKI. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AS WE WERE ALREADY DSNDING. HE THEN SWITCHED US TO NEXT CTLR. WE CHKED IN LEVEL AT 11000 FT AT 250 KTS WITH THIS NEW CTLR (2 MI PAST RICKI HERE). NOTHING MORE WAS SAID ABOUT IT TO US. AS FAR AS WE COULD DETERMINE, THERE WAS NO OTHER ACFT INVOLVED, AND NO LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.