ATC requested such a large altitude descent in such a short distance that ATC instructed reporter to make a 360 degree turn in an effort to meet a lower crossing restr.

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Attributes
ACN	361220
Time
Date	199702
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : fjc
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 33000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-88
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 76
ASRS Report	361220
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Intra Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

Received arrival to lga over allentown, then received clearance to cross allentown at 10000 ft, from 33000 ft shortly thereafter. Before we determined that we could not make the crossing, ATC called and asked if we were going to make it. ATC had us do a 360 degree right turn to descend. I believe controller knew we would have trouble making the crossing anyway when he gave clearance. New arrival and descent were given too close into the arrival. Should not have been given the arrival or expected to make the fast descent.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ATC REQUESTED SUCH A LARGE ALT DSCNT IN SUCH A SHORT DISTANCE THAT ATC INSTRUCTED RPTR TO MAKE A 360 DEG TURN IN AN EFFORT TO MEET A LOWER XING RESTR.

Narrative: RECEIVED ARR TO LGA OVER ALLENTOWN, THEN RECEIVED CLRNC TO CROSS ALLENTOWN AT 10000 FT, FROM 33000 FT SHORTLY THEREAFTER. BEFORE WE DETERMINED THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE THE XING, ATC CALLED AND ASKED IF WE WERE GOING TO MAKE IT. ATC HAD US DO A 360 DEG R TURN TO DSND. I BELIEVE CTLR KNEW WE WOULD HAVE TROUBLE MAKING THE XING ANYWAY WHEN HE GAVE CLRNC. NEW ARR AND DSCNT WERE GIVEN TOO CLOSE INTO THE ARR. SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE ARR OR EXPECTED TO MAKE THE FAST DSCNT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.