Air carrier large transport on the civet STAR lax. First officer, PF, first flight after IOE is descending to 12000 ft. Captain giving information on STAR procedure distracted the first officer. Overshot altitude 400 ft. On recovery realized speed brakes were still extended.

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Attributes
ACN	360761
Time
Date	199702
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11600 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1300
ASRS Report	360761
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Copilot was a new hire and new in type first line flight out of training IOE. Copilot was hand-flying aircraft on civet arrival to lax. I was talking to him about the arrival and overloaded him. As we approached 12000 ft our next restr altitude, he did not level off even under direction from me, we descended 400 ft low before he could recover. I did not realize that the speed brakes were extended which contributed to the slow altitude recovery.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT ON THE CIVET STAR LAX. FO, PF, FIRST FLT AFTER IOE IS DSNDING TO 12000 FT. CAPT GIVING INFO ON STAR PROC DISTRACTED THE FO. OVERSHOT ALT 400 FT. ON RECOVERY REALIZED SPD BRAKES WERE STILL EXTENDED.

Narrative: COPLT WAS A NEW HIRE AND NEW IN TYPE FIRST LINE FLT OUT OF TRAINING IOE. COPLT WAS HAND-FLYING ACFT ON CIVET ARR TO LAX. I WAS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE ARR AND OVERLOADED HIM. AS WE APCHED 12000 FT OUR NEXT RESTR ALT, HE DID NOT LEVEL OFF EVEN UNDER DIRECTION FROM ME, WE DSNDED 400 FT LOW BEFORE HE COULD RECOVER. I DID NOT REALIZE THAT THE SPD BRAKES WERE EXTENDED WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THE SLOW ALT RECOVERY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.