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First officer report on failure of air carrier PIC to follow ATC request for speed increase on arrival traffic. Speed deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 358831 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199701 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 358831 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATC facility: socal. Location: 20-30 mi east of kayoh on e- side arrival, captain flying at 220 KTS. ATC asked us to increase to 250 KTS. I read back clearance. Captain kept 220 KTS. ATC asked if we were increasing. Thinking we would, I said increasing through 220 KTS. Captain maintained 220 KTS. ATC's 3RD call, captain said he'd have to slow at kayoh. ATC said for now need 250 KTS. Captain stayed at 220 KTS. ATC asked speed. Captain said say 240 KTS, kept 220 KTS. ATC said aircraft back at 210 KTS, 10 KTS less ground speed. Obviously angry he advised us of our obligation to comply with clearance. Aircraft behind us turned to 180 degrees and 260 KTS for space. Next frequency 121.3 cleared ILS runway 19R. Instead of following LNAV command bars, armed localizer at localizer alive, went through localizer, assigned heading 165 to reintercept localizer. Whole thing illegal. I do not like being unnecessarily exposed to possible FAA violation, nor do I appreciate being expected to bend the truth. Reason captain gave for maintaining 220 KTS was that ATC needed to learn not to fly our airplanes for us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO RPT ON FAILURE OF ACR PIC TO FOLLOW ATC REQUEST FOR SPD INCREASE ON ARR TFC. SPD DEV.
Narrative: ATC FACILITY: SOCAL. LOCATION: 20-30 MI E OF KAYOH ON E- SIDE ARR, CAPT FLYING AT 220 KTS. ATC ASKED US TO INCREASE TO 250 KTS. I READ BACK CLRNC. CAPT KEPT 220 KTS. ATC ASKED IF WE WERE INCREASING. THINKING WE WOULD, I SAID INCREASING THROUGH 220 KTS. CAPT MAINTAINED 220 KTS. ATC'S 3RD CALL, CAPT SAID HE'D HAVE TO SLOW AT KAYOH. ATC SAID FOR NOW NEED 250 KTS. CAPT STAYED AT 220 KTS. ATC ASKED SPD. CAPT SAID SAY 240 KTS, KEPT 220 KTS. ATC SAID ACFT BACK AT 210 KTS, 10 KTS LESS GND SPD. OBVIOUSLY ANGRY HE ADVISED US OF OUR OBLIGATION TO COMPLY WITH CLRNC. ACFT BEHIND US TURNED TO 180 DEGS AND 260 KTS FOR SPACE. NEXT FREQ 121.3 CLRED ILS RWY 19R. INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING LNAV COMMAND BARS, ARMED LOC AT LOC ALIVE, WENT THROUGH LOC, ASSIGNED HDG 165 TO REINTERCEPT LOC. WHOLE THING ILLEGAL. I DO NOT LIKE BEING UNNECESSARILY EXPOSED TO POSSIBLE FAA VIOLATION, NOR DO I APPRECIATE BEING EXPECTED TO BEND THE TRUTH. REASON CAPT GAVE FOR MAINTAINING 220 KTS WAS THAT ATC NEEDED TO LEARN NOT TO FLY OUR AIRPLANES FOR US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.