An air carrier B757 inbound on the reedr 3 arrival descending to 8000 ft received a TCASII RA on an air carrier B737 that had departed lax off runway 7. The B757 thought he had a visual on the B737 so he didn't follow the RA. The B737 passed 1 pt 5 NM away climbing through the B757 altitude. No TA was given to the B757. When questioned approach didn't have a target on the B737, but later told the reporter that the B737 had violated his airspace.

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Attributes
ACN	356499
Time
Date	199612
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 10000 agl bound upper : 10000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-300
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 103 flight time total : 6848 flight time type : 861
ASRS Report	356499
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 9000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Cleared by socal approach from 10000 ft to 8000 ft inbound to reedr. TCASII went off, stayed at 10000 ft, and saw aircraft. Climbing out of lax on departure from runway 7, TCASII said climb, though I had aircraft visually at 12 O'clock position so didn't climb. Then spotted an air carrier B737 climbing through our altitude at our 9 O'clock position, less than 1.5 mi climbing through our altitude and turning away. Called approach and they didn't have aircraft we called, then said the B737 violated his airspace.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN ACR B757 INBOUND ON THE REEDR 3 ARR DSNDING TO 8000 FT RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON AN ACR B737 THAT HAD DEPARTED LAX OFF RWY 7. THE B757 THOUGHT HE HAD A VISUAL ON THE B737 SO HE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RA. THE B737 PASSED 1 PT 5 NM AWAY CLBING THROUGH THE B757 ALT. NO TA WAS GIVEN TO THE B757. WHEN QUESTIONED APCH DIDN'T HAVE A TARGET ON THE B737, BUT LATER TOLD THE RPTR THAT THE B737 HAD VIOLATED HIS AIRSPACE.

Narrative: CLRED BY SOCAL APCH FROM 10000 FT TO 8000 FT INBOUND TO REEDR. TCASII WENT OFF, STAYED AT 10000 FT, AND SAW ACFT. CLBING OUT OF LAX ON DEP FROM RWY 7, TCASII SAID CLB, THOUGH I HAD ACFT VISUALLY AT 12 O'CLOCK POS SO DIDN'T CLB. THEN SPOTTED AN ACR B737 CLBING THROUGH OUR ALT AT OUR 9 O'CLOCK POS, LESS THAN 1.5 MI CLBING THROUGH OUR ALT AND TURNING AWAY. CALLED APCH AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACFT WE CALLED, THEN SAID THE B737 VIOLATED HIS AIRSPACE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.