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Flight crew deviation during departure procedure in foreign airspace. Most likely a heading track position deviation when flight crew unknowingly referred to outdated SID departure charts. Flight crew complaint of no charts issued by company in timely fashion. Further complaint made regarding aeronautical chart presentation navigation techniques regarding point-to-point navigation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 350580 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199610 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : eham |
| State Reference | FO |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : eham tracon : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 30F |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 350580 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 350 |
| ASRS Report | 350581 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Received a radar plot from operations that we had not flown the appropriate SID. Upon further review we found that we had operated with an outdated SID. The new SID was issued on oct/xx/96 and put into aircraft specific mail boxes. At our departure date from home base there were no revisions found in our aircraft mail box, therefore we had the old outdated ones. Another issue is that some of these sids have you flying certain tracks that are not based on navaids but on dead reckoning, to compensate for wind drift by reading off the drift angle off the INS. This is a totally outdated method of navigation. We for sure need at least latitude and longitude from waypoint to waypoint that is not based on permanent navaids.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC DEV DURING DEP PROC IN FOREIGN AIRSPACE. MOST LIKELY A HDG TRACK POS DEV WHEN FLC UNKNOWINGLY REFERRED TO OUTDATED SID DEP CHARTS. FLC COMPLAINT OF NO CHARTS ISSUED BY COMPANY IN TIMELY FASHION. FURTHER COMPLAINT MADE REGARDING AERO CHART PRESENTATION NAV TECHNIQUES REGARDING POINT-TO-POINT NAV.
Narrative: RECEIVED A RADAR PLOT FROM OPS THAT WE HAD NOT FLOWN THE APPROPRIATE SID. UPON FURTHER REVIEW WE FOUND THAT WE HAD OPERATED WITH AN OUTDATED SID. THE NEW SID WAS ISSUED ON OCT/XX/96 AND PUT INTO ACFT SPECIFIC MAIL BOXES. AT OUR DEP DATE FROM HOME BASE THERE WERE NO REVISIONS FOUND IN OUR ACFT MAIL BOX, THEREFORE WE HAD THE OLD OUTDATED ONES. ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT SOME OF THESE SIDS HAVE YOU FLYING CERTAIN TRACKS THAT ARE NOT BASED ON NAVAIDS BUT ON DEAD RECKONING, TO COMPENSATE FOR WIND DRIFT BY READING OFF THE DRIFT ANGLE OFF THE INS. THIS IS A TOTALLY OUTDATED METHOD OF NAV. WE FOR SURE NEED AT LEAST LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE FROM WAYPOINT TO WAYPOINT THAT IS NOT BASED ON PERMANENT NAVAIDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.