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A CE500 crew climbed into the clt class B airspace without clearance. Flight crew and TRACON controller technique communication. The flight crew heard what they wanted to hear and did not wait for clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 345780 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199608 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : clt airport : 3n8 |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : clt |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Citation I |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 345780 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3600 |
| ASRS Report | 346091 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited penetrated airspace none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 15000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
In sum: prior to landing at 3n8, a CE500 crew announced to clt TRACON that they would be dropping off passenger, then refiling IFR to gso. After takeoff, the same controller told the rptrs to maintain VFR, but did not ever give an IFR clearance. The rptrs had IFR traffic on their TCASII. Clt TRACON asked if the rptrs were climbing in the clt class B airspace. The rptrs replied in the affirmative and climbed out of the class B and were advised to call clt upon arrival. Clt announced, on the telephone, that the rptrs had been in the clt class B airspace without an IFR clearance and that other traffic had had to make deviations because of TCASII alerts. The rptrs claim a misunderstanding miscom with clt TRACON. They thought that they had been given clearance into the class B airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CE500 CREW CLBED INTO THE CLT CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT CLRNC. FLC AND TRACON CTLR TECHNIQUE COM. THE FLC HEARD WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR AND DID NOT WAIT FOR CLRNC.
Narrative: IN SUM: PRIOR TO LNDG AT 3N8, A CE500 CREW ANNOUNCED TO CLT TRACON THAT THEY WOULD BE DROPPING OFF PAX, THEN REFILING IFR TO GSO. AFTER TKOF, THE SAME CTLR TOLD THE RPTRS TO MAINTAIN VFR, BUT DID NOT EVER GIVE AN IFR CLRNC. THE RPTRS HAD IFR TFC ON THEIR TCASII. CLT TRACON ASKED IF THE RPTRS WERE CLBING IN THE CLT CLASS B AIRSPACE. THE RPTRS REPLIED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND CLBED OUT OF THE CLASS B AND WERE ADVISED TO CALL CLT UPON ARR. CLT ANNOUNCED, ON THE TELEPHONE, THAT THE RPTRS HAD BEEN IN THE CLT CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHOUT AN IFR CLRNC AND THAT OTHER TFC HAD HAD TO MAKE DEVS BECAUSE OF TCASII ALERTS. THE RPTRS CLAIM A MISUNDERSTANDING MISCOM WITH CLT TRACON. THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN CLRNC INTO THE CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.