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While on ATC flight following, the pilot of a light aircraft experienced an near midair collision with opposite direction air carrier traffic. Pilot reported that the ARTCC controller provided traffic information, but that the advisory was too late for the pilot to respond.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 324300 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199512 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : fim |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12400 msl bound upper : 12400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time total : 900 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 324300 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Northbound from myf to wvi I experienced a near collision with an air carrier sbound. It was near V-107, and I was on flight following and talking to ZLA. The controller called the traffic at 2 O'clock. As I looked in that direction I saw that we were less than 3 seconds from an abeam position, I estimate the closing speed at more than 500 KTS. Without interviewing the controller I can't say much, except that see and avoid does not work reliably at that high a closing speed. Obviously, it would have been better if the controller had notified me when we were at least 15 seconds apart instead of 3. I just don't know what the controller's situation was, but I do believe a different controller took over the frequency right after I told him I was going to have to file an ASRS report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WHILE ON ATC FLT FOLLOWING, THE PLT OF A LIGHT ACFT EXPERIENCED AN NMAC WITH OPPOSITE DIRECTION ACR TFC. PLT RPTED THAT THE ARTCC CTLR PROVIDED TFC INFO, BUT THAT THE ADVISORY WAS TOO LATE FOR THE PLT TO RESPOND.
Narrative: NBOUND FROM MYF TO WVI I EXPERIENCED A NEAR COLLISION WITH AN ACR SBOUND. IT WAS NEAR V-107, AND I WAS ON FLT FOLLOWING AND TALKING TO ZLA. THE CTLR CALLED THE TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK. AS I LOOKED IN THAT DIRECTION I SAW THAT WE WERE LESS THAN 3 SECONDS FROM AN ABEAM POS, I ESTIMATE THE CLOSING SPD AT MORE THAN 500 KTS. WITHOUT INTERVIEWING THE CTLR I CAN'T SAY MUCH, EXCEPT THAT SEE AND AVOID DOES NOT WORK RELIABLY AT THAT HIGH A CLOSING SPD. OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF THE CTLR HAD NOTIFIED ME WHEN WE WERE AT LEAST 15 SECONDS APART INSTEAD OF 3. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CTLR'S SIT WAS, BUT I DO BELIEVE A DIFFERENT CTLR TOOK OVER THE FREQ RIGHT AFTER I TOLD HIM I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO FILE AN ASRS RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.