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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : zid|
airport : day
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zid|
tower : atl
|Operator||general aviation : corporate|
|Make Model Name||Falcon 50|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent other|
|Route In Use||arrival other|
arrival star : star
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 60|
flight time total : 10000
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
|ATC Facility||procedure or policy : unspecified|
Until several months ago, high altitude flts coming to dayton from the south were rted via the bucke 3 arrival. Then ZID started issuing a clearance from over flm to fly out the flm 345 degree radial till crossing the cvg 035 degree radial, then fly the cvg 035 degree radial to the 46 DME fix, then direct dayton. However, there is still no written description for this routing. Each time, ZID must issue a new clearance with the somewhat verbose description of the routing and the pilot must repeat it back in equal detail. When are we going to get a STAR that will reduce this unnecessary radio chatter? Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter stated he was flying a falcon 50. He does have FMS which has the database for the established stars. For 10 yrs the bucke arrival has been used and as far as he knows, has been satisfactory. He said he had not talked to dayton approach or ZID to find out why the change was made. Called both dayton ATCT and ZID to clarify the arrival procedure and to ascertain if the procedure was a permanent change. The procedures specialist at ZID advised that it is a permanent change, due to an arrival conflict with cvg traffic. A STAR route into cvg had to be changed because of a safety issue near a jump zone at waynesville, oh. A new STAR has been developed to replace the bucke STAR, named the kekee STAR, but it will not be published until the cvg VORTAC has been upgraded. Cvg VORTAC is scheduled to be shut down for modification very soon. After the modification, the kekee STAR will be published.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR GIVEN VERBOSE ARR RATHER THAN THE PUBLISHED STAR.
Narrative: UNTIL SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, HIGH ALT FLTS COMING TO DAYTON FROM THE S WERE RTED VIA THE BUCKE 3 ARR. THEN ZID STARTED ISSUING A CLRNC FROM OVER FLM TO FLY OUT THE FLM 345 DEG RADIAL TILL XING THE CVG 035 DEG RADIAL, THEN FLY THE CVG 035 DEG RADIAL TO THE 46 DME FIX, THEN DIRECT DAYTON. HOWEVER, THERE IS STILL NO WRITTEN DESCRIPTION FOR THIS ROUTING. EACH TIME, ZID MUST ISSUE A NEW CLRNC WITH THE SOMEWHAT VERBOSE DESCRIPTION OF THE ROUTING AND THE PLT MUST REPEAT IT BACK IN EQUAL DETAIL. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A STAR THAT WILL REDUCE THIS UNNECESSARY RADIO CHATTER? CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATED HE WAS FLYING A FALCON 50. HE DOES HAVE FMS WHICH HAS THE DATABASE FOR THE ESTABLISHED STARS. FOR 10 YRS THE BUCKE ARR HAS BEEN USED AND AS FAR AS HE KNOWS, HAS BEEN SATISFACTORY. HE SAID HE HAD NOT TALKED TO DAYTON APCH OR ZID TO FIND OUT WHY THE CHANGE WAS MADE. CALLED BOTH DAYTON ATCT AND ZID TO CLARIFY THE ARR PROC AND TO ASCERTAIN IF THE PROC WAS A PERMANENT CHANGE. THE PROCS SPECIALIST AT ZID ADVISED THAT IT IS A PERMANENT CHANGE, DUE TO AN ARR CONFLICT WITH CVG TFC. A STAR RTE INTO CVG HAD TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE OF A SAFETY ISSUE NEAR A JUMP ZONE AT WAYNESVILLE, OH. A NEW STAR HAS BEEN DEVELOPED TO REPLACE THE BUCKE STAR, NAMED THE KEKEE STAR, BUT IT WILL NOT BE PUBLISHED UNTIL THE CVG VORTAC HAS BEEN UPGRADED. CVG VORTAC IS SCHEDULED TO BE SHUT DOWN FOR MODIFICATION VERY SOON. AFTER THE MODIFICATION, THE KEKEE STAR WILL BE PUBLISHED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.