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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : msp|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 121|
|Navigation In Use||Other |
|Flight Phase||ground other : taxi|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 200|
flight time total : 11000
flight time type : 5800
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
Aircraft had just pushed out of the gate at msp. The tail of the aircraft was pointed southwest. (Nose pointing parallel to taxiway D). Ground control issued us taxi instructions 'taxi to runway 29R via taxiway C' after asking if we could spin the aircraft counterclockwise to join taxiway C (the assumption being the use of C5). We told him we could not spin left, but would join taxiway 'C' at the next intersection (C6). We proceeded to join taxiway 'C' at C6 as we received the taxi clearance after this discussion: ie, 'cleared runway 29 via taxiway C. There were no specifics given regarding where to join 'C.' after joining at C6 a controller (we assume a supervisor as the voice was different) told us we could not use D, C-6, C as we were not allowed to taxi on D, while this note used to be on the 10-7 notes it no longer is! To spin the aircraft counterclockwise would have necessitated sweeping the adjoining gate at high power where there were numerous gates unloading a dc-9. Either a note should be placed back in regarding 757's on taxiway D or proper ground clrncs need to be issued, ie, 'cleared to runway 29R via: txwys D, C5, C and east.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRNC INTERP DEV FROM CLRNC AERO PUB PRESENTATION -- ACR RECEIVES A TAXI CLRNC FROM GND CTLR THAT WAS APPARENTLY IMPROPER AND WAS CRITICIZED OVER THE RADIO BY A TWR SUPVR.
Narrative: ACFT HAD JUST PUSHED OUT OF THE GATE AT MSP. THE TAIL OF THE ACFT WAS POINTED SW. (NOSE POINTING PARALLEL TO TXWY D). GND CTL ISSUED US TAXI INSTRUCTIONS 'TAXI TO RWY 29R VIA TXWY C' AFTER ASKING IF WE COULD SPIN THE ACFT COUNTERCLOCKWISE TO JOIN TXWY C (THE ASSUMPTION BEING THE USE OF C5). WE TOLD HIM WE COULD NOT SPIN L, BUT WOULD JOIN TXWY 'C' AT THE NEXT INTXN (C6). WE PROCEEDED TO JOIN TXWY 'C' AT C6 AS WE RECEIVED THE TAXI CLRNC AFTER THIS DISCUSSION: IE, 'CLRED RWY 29 VIA TXWY C. THERE WERE NO SPECIFICS GIVEN REGARDING WHERE TO JOIN 'C.' AFTER JOINING AT C6 A CTLR (WE ASSUME A SUPVR AS THE VOICE WAS DIFFERENT) TOLD US WE COULD NOT USE D, C-6, C AS WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TAXI ON D, WHILE THIS NOTE USED TO BE ON THE 10-7 NOTES IT NO LONGER IS! TO SPIN THE ACFT COUNTERCLOCKWISE WOULD HAVE NECESSITATED SWEEPING THE ADJOINING GATE AT HIGH PWR WHERE THERE WERE NUMEROUS GATES UNLOADING A DC-9. EITHER A NOTE SHOULD BE PLACED BACK IN REGARDING 757'S ON TXWY D OR PROPER GND CLRNCS NEED TO BE ISSUED, IE, 'CLRED TO RWY 29R VIA: TXWYS D, C5, C AND E.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.