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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 312846 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199508 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1440 |
| ASRS Report | 312846 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 312845 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
ATC assigned 2 aircraft same altitude and direction of flight. Air carrier Y had just taken ahead of air carrier X and had been given the same clearance we were. Y was a twin propeller with at least a 70-80 KT disparity. Supplemental information from acn 312845: on departure out of msp at 5000 ft MSL, 040 degree heading we had a TCASII RA to climb, which we did to about 6700 ft. The intruder aircraft was air carrier Y that took off on runway 11L just ahead of us. I asked departure control if they had aircraft on radar, said 'yes. I'm sorry.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TCASII RA HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: ATC ASSIGNED 2 ACFT SAME ALT AND DIRECTION OF FLT. ACR Y HAD JUST TAKEN AHEAD OF ACR X AND HAD BEEN GIVEN THE SAME CLRNC WE WERE. Y WAS A TWIN PROP WITH AT LEAST A 70-80 KT DISPARITY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 312845: ON DEP OUT OF MSP AT 5000 FT MSL, 040 DEG HDG WE HAD A TCASII RA TO CLB, WHICH WE DID TO ABOUT 6700 FT. THE INTRUDER ACFT WAS ACR Y THAT TOOK OFF ON RWY 11L JUST AHEAD OF US. I ASKED DEP CTL IF THEY HAD ACFT ON RADAR, SAID 'YES. I'M SORRY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.