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|Local Time Of Day||1801 To 2400|
|Locale Reference||airport : i17|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 200|
agl bound upper : 200
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
landing : go around
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
pilot : cfi
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 180|
flight time total : 800
flight time type : 300
|Qualification||pilot : student|
|Anomaly||other spatial deviation|
other spatial deviation
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
I pulled the throttle to the idle position to simulate an engine failure across from the touchdown point on downwind for runway 26 at piqua (I17). The student failed to maintain best glide speed and hesitated to turn directly toward the landing threshold. This combination caused the approach path to be much lower than I would have liked to see as we neared the runway threshold. Since this was a night flight and I thereby was unable to clearly see obstructions, I asked the student to initiate a go around. Once again, the student hesitated to execute the procedure until we were approximately 1200 ft MSL (200 ft AGL) slightly to the left of the runway 26 centerline and slightly short for the threshold. This position made me feel very uncomfortable, and in the future I will not allow a student to descend below what I feel is a reasonable and safe glide path for the runway in use. Nor will I hesitate to seize control of a deteriorating situation. When it comes right down to it, if the situation doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. Next time, I'll listen to those feelings and recover sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT PLT ALLOWS A SIMULATED ENG OUT APCH TO GET TOO LOW ON NIGHT FLT.
Narrative: I PULLED THE THROTTLE TO THE IDLE POS TO SIMULATE AN ENG FAILURE ACROSS FROM THE TOUCHDOWN POINT ON DOWNWIND FOR RWY 26 AT PIQUA (I17). THE STUDENT FAILED TO MAINTAIN BEST GLIDE SPD AND HESITATED TO TURN DIRECTLY TOWARD THE LNDG THRESHOLD. THIS COMBINATION CAUSED THE APCH PATH TO BE MUCH LOWER THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE AS WE NEARED THE RWY THRESHOLD. SINCE THIS WAS A NIGHT FLT AND I THEREBY WAS UNABLE TO CLRLY SEE OBSTRUCTIONS, I ASKED THE STUDENT TO INITIATE A GAR. ONCE AGAIN, THE STUDENT HESITATED TO EXECUTE THE PROC UNTIL WE WERE APPROX 1200 FT MSL (200 FT AGL) SLIGHTLY TO THE L OF THE RWY 26 CTRLINE AND SLIGHTLY SHORT FOR THE THRESHOLD. THIS POS MADE ME FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, AND IN THE FUTURE I WILL NOT ALLOW A STUDENT TO DSND BELOW WHAT I FEEL IS A REASONABLE AND SAFE GLIDE PATH FOR THE RWY IN USE. NOR WILL I HESITATE TO SEIZE CTL OF A DETERIORATING SIT. WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT, IF THE SIT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT, IT PROBABLY ISN'T. NEXT TIME, I'LL LISTEN TO THOSE FEELINGS AND RECOVER SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.