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Altitude crossing restr. Flight crew realizes that they are not going to make the assigned crossing restr and crosses 1800 ft high.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 311170 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199507 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pxr airport : phx |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 13800 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : phx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 311170 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 311426 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On the fossil 2 arrival to phx, ATC slowed us to 280 KIAS and gave us a turn to cut the corner and a clearance to cross tonto at 12000 ft and 250 KIAS. The captain began the descent, realizing the distance was shorter he used maximum speed brakes and idle power. We crossed tonto above 12000 ft, but at 250 KIAS. We should have notified approach as soon as we realized we could not meet both restrs, and let them decide. Supplemental information from acn 311426: I began the descent, realized distance was short and started a maximum descent with speed brakes and idle. Crossed tonto at approximately 13800 ft, 250 KTS. Should have notified approach as soon as I realized we would be unable to make crossing due to tailwinds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT XING RESTR. FLC REALIZES THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE ASSIGNED XING RESTR AND CROSSES 1800 FT HIGH.
Narrative: ON THE FOSSIL 2 ARR TO PHX, ATC SLOWED US TO 280 KIAS AND GAVE US A TURN TO CUT THE CORNER AND A CLRNC TO CROSS TONTO AT 12000 FT AND 250 KIAS. THE CAPT BEGAN THE DSCNT, REALIZING THE DISTANCE WAS SHORTER HE USED MAX SPD BRAKES AND IDLE PWR. WE CROSSED TONTO ABOVE 12000 FT, BUT AT 250 KIAS. WE SHOULD HAVE NOTIFIED APCH AS SOON AS WE REALIZED WE COULD NOT MEET BOTH RESTRS, AND LET THEM DECIDE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 311426: I BEGAN THE DSCNT, REALIZED DISTANCE WAS SHORT AND STARTED A MAX DSCNT WITH SPD BRAKES AND IDLE. CROSSED TONTO AT APPROX 13800 FT, 250 KTS. SHOULD HAVE NOTIFIED APCH AS SOON AS I REALIZED WE WOULD BE UNABLE TO MAKE XING DUE TO TAILWINDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.