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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 310840 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199507 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ykz airport : ytz |
| State Reference | ON |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ykz tower : ytz |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 250 |
| ASRS Report | 310840 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departing toronto island airport, the tower asked if we wanted to turn right direct to orillia (NJ4). After turning right, I waited a min or so, then asked if we were to call departure. City tower didn't seem to care 'frequency change approved' or something to that effect. When I contacted approach, they advised us to proceed on course and remain clear of class C airspace and identify. It occurs to me to wonder whether he should have directed us to contact buttonville tower. I was under the impression that he was controling us. Next time, I'm going to fly eastbound and go around the whole area -- the time saved is not worth the confusion. We may have entered buttonville's air traffic area without permission, if the approach controller had said 'remain clear of class C airspace, contact buttonville tower' or even 'remain clear of class C airspace, frequency change approved' it would have been more clear.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT MAY HAVE VIOLATED A CANADIAN CLASS C AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DEPARTING TORONTO ISLAND ARPT, THE TWR ASKED IF WE WANTED TO TURN R DIRECT TO ORILLIA (NJ4). AFTER TURNING R, I WAITED A MIN OR SO, THEN ASKED IF WE WERE TO CALL DEP. CITY TWR DIDN'T SEEM TO CARE 'FREQ CHANGE APPROVED' OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. WHEN I CONTACTED APCH, THEY ADVISED US TO PROCEED ON COURSE AND REMAIN CLR OF CLASS C AIRSPACE AND IDENT. IT OCCURS TO ME TO WONDER WHETHER HE SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED US TO CONTACT BUTTONVILLE TWR. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS CTLING US. NEXT TIME, I'M GOING TO FLY EBOUND AND GO AROUND THE WHOLE AREA -- THE TIME SAVED IS NOT WORTH THE CONFUSION. WE MAY HAVE ENTERED BUTTONVILLE'S ATA WITHOUT PERMISSION, IF THE APCH CTLR HAD SAID 'REMAIN CLR OF CLASS C AIRSPACE, CONTACT BUTTONVILLE TWR' OR EVEN 'REMAIN CLR OF CLASS C AIRSPACE, FREQ CHANGE APPROVED' IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.