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Cpr X climb through occupied altitude had less than standard separation from air carrier Y. System error.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 306040 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199505 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : bwz |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 26000 msl bound upper : 26000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 3 |
| ASRS Report | 306040 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 22800 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I had 2 aircraft, one a B-727 air carrier Y and a falcon jet cpr X. Both just departing from the new york metropolitan area on conflicting rtes of flight. I asked the falcon his rate of climb. He answered 2500 FPM. The falcon was lower than air carrier Y, but I judged I had enough time to get the falcon on top. Unfortunately, the falcon climb only 1200-1500 FPM and was unable to top Y within 5 mi. I should have been aware sooner the falcon's climb rate was not going to be enough but at the moment it was difficult to change plans once I decided to top Y.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR X CLB THROUGH OCCUPIED ALT HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: I HAD 2 ACFT, ONE A B-727 ACR Y AND A FALCON JET CPR X. BOTH JUST DEPARTING FROM THE NEW YORK METRO AREA ON CONFLICTING RTES OF FLT. I ASKED THE FALCON HIS RATE OF CLB. HE ANSWERED 2500 FPM. THE FALCON WAS LOWER THAN ACR Y, BUT I JUDGED I HAD ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE FALCON ON TOP. UNFORTUNATELY, THE FALCON CLB ONLY 1200-1500 FPM AND WAS UNABLE TO TOP Y WITHIN 5 MI. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE SOONER THE FALCON'S CLB RATE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH BUT AT THE MOMENT IT WAS DIFFICULT TO CHANGE PLANS ONCE I DECIDED TO TOP Y.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.