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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 305744 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199505 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 305744 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : became reoriented other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After takeoff from lga I flew the wrong transition because I was not 'in the loop' (listening) when first officer got the clearance and because the first officer was not listening when I gave the takeoff briefing, since I briefed the whitestone climb and he knew we were supposed to fly coney climb. The difference was that I began a left turn when I should have continued straight ahead. When established in the turn, departure called and asked if we were given coney climb. First officer said yes. I said not what I was doing. Departure said 'no problem' continue turning left. I feel that several events caused this error on my part. #1: I have been flying out of lga for 20 yrs and don't remember ever doing a coney climb no matter which way I was headed (east, west, south, or north). #2) the transition is not in the FMC so it is not visible on screen in the departure, only the first fix of flight plan. #3) the flight plan read lga-6 white.ste.as filed.coney climb. I think it would be less confusing if it was sequential, ie, lga-6 coney climb white sie as filed. #4) as I glanced at the clearance I saw lga-6 white and assumed whitestone climb as the transition was actually on the second page of the clearance. At the time I thought it was strange they would print white instead of whitestone (should have been a clue!). Finally, the first officer should have been listening to my takeoff briefing and corrected me, as we practice cockpit resource management and I brief my crews to speak up if something is not correct!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG FLC USES WRONG TRANSITION DURING DEP ON SID.
Narrative: AFTER TKOF FROM LGA I FLEW THE WRONG TRANSITION BECAUSE I WAS NOT 'IN THE LOOP' (LISTENING) WHEN FO GOT THE CLRNC AND BECAUSE THE FO WAS NOT LISTENING WHEN I GAVE THE TKOF BRIEFING, SINCE I BRIEFED THE WHITESTONE CLB AND HE KNEW WE WERE SUPPOSED TO FLY CONEY CLB. THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT I BEGAN A L TURN WHEN I SHOULD HAVE CONTINUED STRAIGHT AHEAD. WHEN ESTABLISHED IN THE TURN, DEP CALLED AND ASKED IF WE WERE GIVEN CONEY CLB. FO SAID YES. I SAID NOT WHAT I WAS DOING. DEP SAID 'NO PROB' CONTINUE TURNING L. I FEEL THAT SEVERAL EVENTS CAUSED THIS ERROR ON MY PART. #1: I HAVE BEEN FLYING OUT OF LGA FOR 20 YRS AND DON'T REMEMBER EVER DOING A CONEY CLB NO MATTER WHICH WAY I WAS HEADED (E, W, S, OR N). #2) THE TRANSITION IS NOT IN THE FMC SO IT IS NOT VISIBLE ON SCREEN IN THE DEP, ONLY THE FIRST FIX OF FLT PLAN. #3) THE FLT PLAN READ LGA-6 WHITE.STE.AS FILED.CONEY CLB. I THINK IT WOULD BE LESS CONFUSING IF IT WAS SEQUENTIAL, IE, LGA-6 CONEY CLB WHITE SIE AS FILED. #4) AS I GLANCED AT THE CLRNC I SAW LGA-6 WHITE AND ASSUMED WHITESTONE CLB AS THE TRANSITION WAS ACTUALLY ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE CLRNC. AT THE TIME I THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE THEY WOULD PRINT WHITE INSTEAD OF WHITESTONE (SHOULD HAVE BEEN A CLUE!). FINALLY, THE FO SHOULD HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MY TKOF BRIEFING AND CORRECTED ME, AS WE PRACTICE COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT AND I BRIEF MY CREWS TO SPEAK UP IF SOMETHING IS NOT CORRECT!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.