Unauthorized penetration of airspace. Proximity of restr airspace. NAVAID problem. Equipment outage.

Attributes
ACN	305090
Time
Date	199505
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : mxe
State Reference	PA
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zdc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other vortac
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 235 flight time total : 10300 flight time type : 6300
ASRS Report	305090
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	305086
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Flying flight from abe to clt. ZDC gave us a southeast 'vector to join J-75 into gve.' next thing we hear shortly after is that we have 'gone through the radial and going into restr area.' they gave us a vector southwest to rejoin and then gave us direct lyh, join the SID to clt. I was puzzled why we never received a signal off of gve. When they cleared us direct lyh, I was suspicious and asked the next controller if gve was off the air and she said yes. I fault the controller for vectoring us to join an airway off a dead VOR, gve. 2 days later we were on J-75 to gve again, flight phl- gso. No controller advised us of gve being off the air, so we took the initiative and asked if gve was up. Center said no and gave us a heading. We only receive NAVAID NOTAMS for our departures and destinations, not en route NOTAMS. Supplemental information from acn 305086: had the controller stated 'intercept J-75' we would have had our radios set up on both mxe and gve and intercepted on course. By saying 'intercept J-75 into gve' we were led to believe we would intercept far enough south to disregard mxe.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: UNAUTH PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE. PROX OF RESTR AIRSPACE. NAVAID PROB. EQUIP OUTAGE.

Narrative: FLYING FLT FROM ABE TO CLT. ZDC GAVE US A SE 'VECTOR TO JOIN J-75 INTO GVE.' NEXT THING WE HEAR SHORTLY AFTER IS THAT WE HAVE 'GONE THROUGH THE RADIAL AND GOING INTO RESTR AREA.' THEY GAVE US A VECTOR SW TO REJOIN AND THEN GAVE US DIRECT LYH, JOIN THE SID TO CLT. I WAS PUZZLED WHY WE NEVER RECEIVED A SIGNAL OFF OF GVE. WHEN THEY CLRED US DIRECT LYH, I WAS SUSPICIOUS AND ASKED THE NEXT CTLR IF GVE WAS OFF THE AIR AND SHE SAID YES. I FAULT THE CTLR FOR VECTORING US TO JOIN AN AIRWAY OFF A DEAD VOR, GVE. 2 DAYS LATER WE WERE ON J-75 TO GVE AGAIN, FLT PHL- GSO. NO CTLR ADVISED US OF GVE BEING OFF THE AIR, SO WE TOOK THE INITIATIVE AND ASKED IF GVE WAS UP. CTR SAID NO AND GAVE US A HDG. WE ONLY RECEIVE NAVAID NOTAMS FOR OUR DEPS AND DESTS, NOT ENRTE NOTAMS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 305086: HAD THE CTLR STATED 'INTERCEPT J-75' WE WOULD HAVE HAD OUR RADIOS SET UP ON BOTH MXE AND GVE AND INTERCEPTED ON COURSE. BY SAYING 'INTERCEPT J-75 INTO GVE' WE WERE LED TO BELIEVE WE WOULD INTERCEPT FAR ENOUGH S TO DISREGARD MXE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.