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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 294231 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199501 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : mlc |
| State Reference | OK |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 38900 msl bound upper : 39000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 285 flight time total : 3650 flight time type : 2300 |
| ASRS Report | 294231 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : declared emergency flight crew : overcame equipment problem other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 900 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
ATC requested a climb from FL370 to FL390 due to converging traffic at FL370. I checked the performance charts, and we were right at the maximum weight at the conditions to maintain FL390, so I accepted the climb. Upon climbing through FL380, ATC issued a time restr to be level at FL390. I was just starting to level at FL390 with about 10 seconds left on the time restr when the right engine flamed out. I advised ATC of the situation, and that we were unable to maintain FL390. ATC requested a 30 degree left turn if able, and I complied. I am uncertain if ATC requested a turn from the converging traffic. We never established visual contact with the traffic, but they reported contact with us via TCASII and informed ATC that we passed behind them. I do not believe that traffic separation was ever compromised, but I am not certain. I believe that given the conditions, if ATC had informed me of the time restr when they issued the climb instructions, I would have told them I was unable. In the future, I will not hesitate to ask about any possible time restrs for a climb. We had to descend to FL270 to enter the relight envelope. The engine was started, and the flight continued normally. I believe the flameout was caused by turbulence combined with a high angle of attack.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT CARGO JET ENG FLAMEOUT DURING HIGH ALT CLB. RESTARTED AT A LOWER ALT.
Narrative: ATC REQUESTED A CLB FROM FL370 TO FL390 DUE TO CONVERGING TFC AT FL370. I CHKED THE PERFORMANCE CHARTS, AND WE WERE RIGHT AT THE MAX WT AT THE CONDITIONS TO MAINTAIN FL390, SO I ACCEPTED THE CLB. UPON CLBING THROUGH FL380, ATC ISSUED A TIME RESTR TO BE LEVEL AT FL390. I WAS JUST STARTING TO LEVEL AT FL390 WITH ABOUT 10 SECONDS LEFT ON THE TIME RESTR WHEN THE R ENG FLAMED OUT. I ADVISED ATC OF THE SIT, AND THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN FL390. ATC REQUESTED A 30 DEG L TURN IF ABLE, AND I COMPLIED. I AM UNCERTAIN IF ATC REQUESTED A TURN FROM THE CONVERGING TFC. WE NEVER ESTABLISHED VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC, BUT THEY RPTED CONTACT WITH US VIA TCASII AND INFORMED ATC THAT WE PASSED BEHIND THEM. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT TFC SEPARATION WAS EVER COMPROMISED, BUT I AM NOT CERTAIN. I BELIEVE THAT GIVEN THE CONDITIONS, IF ATC HAD INFORMED ME OF THE TIME RESTR WHEN THEY ISSUED THE CLB INSTRUCTIONS, I WOULD HAVE TOLD THEM I WAS UNABLE. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL NOT HESITATE TO ASK ABOUT ANY POSSIBLE TIME RESTRS FOR A CLB. WE HAD TO DSND TO FL270 TO ENTER THE RELIGHT ENVELOPE. THE ENG WAS STARTED, AND THE FLT CONTINUED NORMALLY. I BELIEVE THE FLAMEOUT WAS CAUSED BY TURB COMBINED WITH A HIGH ANGLE OF ATTACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.