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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 292146 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199412 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bur |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bur |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 292146 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Publication | Unspecified |
Narrative:
I had a flight in early dec to bur. Briefed first off on vny and possibility of TA/RA. Also briefed that, at normal vectoring altitude, we would have over 1000 ft separation from mountains northwest of bur, that a terrain GPWS warning could be expected and not to worry. We were VFR and, as briefed, we got a GPWS and did not respond. Looking back over air carrier and commercial pages, the reference to the GPWS situation has been taken out. Training stressed that whenever you get a GPWS you have to respond to a terrain warning and I see no authority in writing that allows me to deviate from that. Was the removal intentional from the bur pages in which case I should have recovered or can I still, in places like tus and bur, not respond and in what conditions (VFR-IFR)!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR CAPT QUESTIONS HIS ACRS POLICY, OR LACK OF POLICY, AT BUR.
Narrative: I HAD A FLT IN EARLY DEC TO BUR. BRIEFED FIRST OFF ON VNY AND POSSIBILITY OF TA/RA. ALSO BRIEFED THAT, AT NORMAL VECTORING ALT, WE WOULD HAVE OVER 1000 FT SEPARATION FROM MOUNTAINS NW OF BUR, THAT A TERRAIN GPWS WARNING COULD BE EXPECTED AND NOT TO WORRY. WE WERE VFR AND, AS BRIEFED, WE GOT A GPWS AND DID NOT RESPOND. LOOKING BACK OVER ACR AND COMMERCIAL PAGES, THE REF TO THE GPWS SIT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT. TRAINING STRESSED THAT WHENEVER YOU GET A GPWS YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO A TERRAIN WARNING AND I SEE NO AUTHORITY IN WRITING THAT ALLOWS ME TO DEVIATE FROM THAT. WAS THE REMOVAL INTENTIONAL FROM THE BUR PAGES IN WHICH CASE I SHOULD HAVE RECOVERED OR CAN I STILL, IN PLACES LIKE TUS AND BUR, NOT RESPOND AND IN WHAT CONDITIONS (VFR-IFR)!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.