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Relief first officer on air carrier widebody transport complains of airport design, runway in use allocation and crossing arrival traffic that might pose a hazard in any go around executed. Expects ATC to take these factors into consideration for approach sequencing.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 274044 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199406 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer observation : observer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 274044 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
| Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
I was 1 of 2 relief first officer's in the observer's seat but all 4 of us (captain and 3 first officer's) agreed that if we had to go around from runway 13L it would have been extremely close (less than 100 ft margin) to a foreign cargo 747 landing runway 22L at the same time. Maybe it's legal for ATC to do it but it doesn't look safe at all. Sitting in the observer's seat with no duties, I figure that if we did a go around 2000 ft down the runway right before touchdown that the closure rate would have been about perfect, but we should have climbed over him. It was safer for us to land but I don't think ATC should schedule traffic this way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RELIEF FO ON ACR WDB COMPLAINS OF ARPT DESIGN, RWY IN USE ALLOCATION AND XING ARR TFC THAT MIGHT POSE A HAZARD IN ANY GAR EXECUTED. EXPECTS ATC TO TAKE THESE FACTORS INTO CONSIDERATION FOR APCH SEQUENCING.
Narrative: I WAS 1 OF 2 RELIEF FO'S IN THE OBSERVER'S SEAT BUT ALL 4 OF US (CAPT AND 3 FO'S) AGREED THAT IF WE HAD TO GAR FROM RWY 13L IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY CLOSE (LESS THAN 100 FT MARGIN) TO A FOREIGN CARGO 747 LNDG RWY 22L AT THE SAME TIME. MAYBE IT'S LEGAL FOR ATC TO DO IT BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK SAFE AT ALL. SITTING IN THE OBSERVER'S SEAT WITH NO DUTIES, I FIGURE THAT IF WE DID A GAR 2000 FT DOWN THE RWY RIGHT BEFORE TOUCHDOWN THAT THE CLOSURE RATE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT PERFECT, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE CLBED OVER HIM. IT WAS SAFER FOR US TO LAND BUT I DON'T THINK ATC SHOULD SCHEDULE TFC THIS WAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.