<< >> NASA ASRS Report 270150, April 1994

After following an small aircraft training aircraft on a wide pattern to an uncontrolled airport, agriculture pilot lands when the training aircraft is still on the runway.

Attributes
ACN	270150
Time
Date	199404
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : ged
State Reference	DE
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	other : other
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Cessna 152
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 6300 flight time type : 280
ASRS Report	270150
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

A student and instructor pilot were in the traffic pattern on a wide downwind for a l-hand pattern landing for runway 22. I entered downwind behind them and called out my position on unicom as #2 on downwind. The student and instructor were flying a cessna 152. They were flying a very wide and long downwind and turned to base leg far from the airport in an unconventional approach to landing. I allowed myself to get increasingly closer to their aircraft in the pattern. They touched down on runway 22 as I was turning final. The runway 22 is 4000 ft long and 100 plus ft wide. An intersection turnoff is 2000 ft at the midpoint. I expected them to do a touch- and-go. Instead they stopped or slowed to a walk at the intersection and on the runway as I was touching down and then they quickly cleared the runway and were clear as I rolled out past the intersection. In retrospect I would have added power and made a go around when they were not clearing the runway. I was impatient to land due to their long pattern. We were never closer than 1000 ft on the rollout until I passed by them at the intersection. Later they complained that I should not have landed with them still on the runway.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AFTER FOLLOWING AN SMA TRAINING ACFT ON A WIDE PATTERN TO AN UNCTLED ARPT, AGRICULTURE PLT LANDS WHEN THE TRAINING ACFT IS STILL ON THE RWY.

Narrative: A STUDENT AND INSTRUCTOR PLT WERE IN THE TFC PATTERN ON A WIDE DOWNWIND FOR A L-HAND PATTERN LNDG FOR RWY 22. I ENTERED DOWNWIND BEHIND THEM AND CALLED OUT MY POS ON UNICOM AS #2 ON DOWNWIND. THE STUDENT AND INSTRUCTOR WERE FLYING A CESSNA 152. THEY WERE FLYING A VERY WIDE AND LONG DOWNWIND AND TURNED TO BASE LEG FAR FROM THE ARPT IN AN UNCONVENTIONAL APCH TO LNDG. I ALLOWED MYSELF TO GET INCREASINGLY CLOSER TO THEIR ACFT IN THE PATTERN. THEY TOUCHED DOWN ON RWY 22 AS I WAS TURNING FINAL. THE RWY 22 IS 4000 FT LONG AND 100 PLUS FT WIDE. AN INTXN TURNOFF IS 2000 FT AT THE MIDPOINT. I EXPECTED THEM TO DO A TOUCH- AND-GO. INSTEAD THEY STOPPED OR SLOWED TO A WALK AT THE INTXN AND ON THE RWY AS I WAS TOUCHING DOWN AND THEN THEY QUICKLY CLRED THE RWY AND WERE CLR AS I ROLLED OUT PAST THE INTXN. IN RETROSPECT I WOULD HAVE ADDED PWR AND MADE A GAR WHEN THEY WERE NOT CLRING THE RWY. I WAS IMPATIENT TO LAND DUE TO THEIR LONG PATTERN. WE WERE NEVER CLOSER THAN 1000 FT ON THE ROLLOUT UNTIL I PASSED BY THEM AT THE INTXN. LATER THEY COMPLAINED THAT I SHOULD NOT HAVE LANDED WITH THEM STILL ON THE RWY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.