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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 269672 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199404 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gsp |
| State Reference | SC |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-88 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 15500 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 269672 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 269517 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Aircraft |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While performing before start checklist when testing fire warning system, we found left fire warning handle did not light up as required. I changed both light bulbs, still no test. I then made a call to our dispatcher and maintenance coordinator to discuss the problem. We decided that this was a necessary item for flight (though not specifically stated in the MEL). The maintenance coordinator suggested to replace the bulbs again plus pull the fire handle out and re-seat it. I did both of these items and re-tested, this time we got a good test. The discrepancy was fixed but now what do we do with the paperwork (logbook)? The maintenance coordinator said I (the captain) can write the invalid test in the discrepancy block and then write our 'fix' in the corrective action block - e.g., 're-lamped and re-seated handle, tests good.' plus put my initials there. I had not heard of this 'new' procedure but took the man as the authority/authorized on this type of documentation. Later I found out this is not an accepted method of documentation. The problem was fixed before moving the plane but the paperwork is becoming a nightmare. Supplemental information from acn 269517: this was done by phone. It was later found to be a wrong action on our part. We now know that it must be a licensed mechanic who fills out the corrective action block and that a teletype message would have been legal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ILLEGAL LOGBOOK SIGNOFF PERFORMED ON AN ACFT EQUIP PROB MALFUNCTION.
Narrative: WHILE PERFORMING BEFORE START CHKLIST WHEN TESTING FIRE WARNING SYS, WE FOUND L FIRE WARNING HANDLE DID NOT LIGHT UP AS REQUIRED. I CHANGED BOTH LIGHT BULBS, STILL NO TEST. I THEN MADE A CALL TO OUR DISPATCHER AND MAINT COORDINATOR TO DISCUSS THE PROB. WE DECIDED THAT THIS WAS A NECESSARY ITEM FOR FLT (THOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THE MEL). THE MAINT COORDINATOR SUGGESTED TO REPLACE THE BULBS AGAIN PLUS PULL THE FIRE HANDLE OUT AND RE-SEAT IT. I DID BOTH OF THESE ITEMS AND RE-TESTED, THIS TIME WE GOT A GOOD TEST. THE DISCREPANCY WAS FIXED BUT NOW WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE PAPERWORK (LOGBOOK)? THE MAINT COORDINATOR SAID I (THE CAPT) CAN WRITE THE INVALID TEST IN THE DISCREPANCY BLOCK AND THEN WRITE OUR 'FIX' IN THE CORRECTIVE ACTION BLOCK - E.G., 'RE-LAMPED AND RE-SEATED HANDLE, TESTS GOOD.' PLUS PUT MY INITIALS THERE. I HAD NOT HEARD OF THIS 'NEW' PROC BUT TOOK THE MAN AS THE AUTH ON THIS TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION. LATER I FOUND OUT THIS IS NOT AN ACCEPTED METHOD OF DOCUMENTATION. THE PROB WAS FIXED BEFORE MOVING THE PLANE BUT THE PAPERWORK IS BECOMING A NIGHTMARE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 269517: THIS WAS DONE BY PHONE. IT WAS LATER FOUND TO BE A WRONG ACTION ON OUR PART. WE NOW KNOW THAT IT MUST BE A LICENSED MECH WHO FILLS OUT THE CORRECTIVE ACTION BLOCK AND THAT A TELETYPE MESSAGE WOULD HAVE BEEN LEGAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.