First officer of an mdt air carrier aircraft questions the legal duty time of flying more than 8 hou...

Attributes
ACN	261075
Time
Date	199401
Day	Sat
Place
Locale Reference	airport : buf
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	ATR 42
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 1300
ASRS Report	261075
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : investigated Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On dec/xx/93 and dec/xy/93, I was scheduled for a 2-DAY trip which had scheduled block times of 3:40 and 3:30 for a total of 7:10. The scheduled rest for the overnight was 8:40 (reduced rest). At the completion of our assigned duties on dec/xx and entering into reduced rest period we had flown 5:31 of block time. Noting that no time was going to be dropped within a 24 hour period it became apparent that the rest requirement as we understood it was not sufficient for the block time accumulated and scheduled for the next day's, upon arriving at our overnight accommodations (hotel). We informed scheduling of our conflict. They informed us that the company's interpretation of the regulations pertaining to this specific situation had recently changed resulting from the recent change in FSDO's and our new poi. Management had informed scheduling of this change thereby allowing pilots to fly over 9 hours in a 24 hour period with reduced rest of 8 hours. Scheduling then proceeded to inform us that refusal to fly would result in disciplinary action. Management (chief pilot, etc) was unable to respond to our questions.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FO OF AN MDT ACR ACFT QUESTIONS THE LEGAL DUTY TIME OF FLYING MORE THAN 8 HRS IN A 24 HR PERIOD WITH ONLY OVER 8 HRS OF REST.

Narrative: ON DEC/XX/93 AND DEC/XY/93, I WAS SCHEDULED FOR A 2-DAY TRIP WHICH HAD SCHEDULED BLOCK TIMES OF 3:40 AND 3:30 FOR A TOTAL OF 7:10. THE SCHEDULED REST FOR THE OVERNIGHT WAS 8:40 (REDUCED REST). AT THE COMPLETION OF OUR ASSIGNED DUTIES ON DEC/XX AND ENTERING INTO REDUCED REST PERIOD WE HAD FLOWN 5:31 OF BLOCK TIME. NOTING THAT NO TIME WAS GOING TO BE DROPPED WITHIN A 24 HR PERIOD IT BECAME APPARENT THAT THE REST REQUIREMENT AS WE UNDERSTOOD IT WAS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR THE BLOCK TIME ACCUMULATED AND SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT DAY'S, UPON ARRIVING AT OUR OVERNIGHT ACCOMMODATIONS (HOTEL). WE INFORMED SCHEDULING OF OUR CONFLICT. THEY INFORMED US THAT THE COMPANY'S INTERP OF THE REGS PERTAINING TO THIS SPECIFIC SIT HAD RECENTLY CHANGED RESULTING FROM THE RECENT CHANGE IN FSDO'S AND OUR NEW POI. MGMNT HAD INFORMED SCHEDULING OF THIS CHANGE THEREBY ALLOWING PLTS TO FLY OVER 9 HRS IN A 24 HR PERIOD WITH REDUCED REST OF 8 HRS. SCHEDULING THEN PROCEEDED TO INFORM US THAT REFUSAL TO FLY WOULD RESULT IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION. MGMNT (CHIEF PLT, ETC) WAS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OUR QUESTIONS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

First officer of an mdt air carrier aircraft questions the legal duty time of flying more than 8 hours in a 24 hour period with only over 8 hours of rest.