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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 255158 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199310 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ste |
| State Reference | WI |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 500 msl bound upper : 7500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zmp |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 3700 flight time type : 3100 |
| ASRS Report | 255158 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : exited adverse environment |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Ceiling 5000 ft MSL, 4000 AGL, stratus clouds. Tops unknown, but probably around 8500 ft. Area forecast: possible light to moderate mixed icing. (Standard in this area.) freezing level 5000 ft. Encountered light rime ice from 6000-7500. Reported it to center and requested lower. Cleared to 4000 ft. About 1/8 inch accumulated in climb and descent. No previous PIREPS reporting ice in area. No threat to safety of flight, but a technical violation of far. I've brought this situation up at several FAA seminars and have never received a straight answer. It's impossible to fly IFR in the area from sepember through april without the possibility of a technical violation. In my opinion icing should be treated the same way as thunderstorms. There should be nothing illegal about going out and looking provided you have a safe backup plan and the icing forecast is as routine as it is around here, namely any time there is a cloud in the sky with temperatures below freezing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT NOT CERTIFIED FOR FORECAST ICING CONDITIONS.
Narrative: CEILING 5000 FT MSL, 4000 AGL, STRATUS CLOUDS. TOPS UNKNOWN, BUT PROBABLY AROUND 8500 FT. AREA FORECAST: POSSIBLE LIGHT TO MODERATE MIXED ICING. (STANDARD IN THIS AREA.) FREEZING LEVEL 5000 FT. ENCOUNTERED LIGHT RIME ICE FROM 6000-7500. RPTED IT TO CTR AND REQUESTED LOWER. CLRED TO 4000 FT. ABOUT 1/8 INCH ACCUMULATED IN CLB AND DSCNT. NO PREVIOUS PIREPS RPTING ICE IN AREA. NO THREAT TO SAFETY OF FLT, BUT A TECHNICAL VIOLATION OF FAR. I'VE BROUGHT THIS SIT UP AT SEVERAL FAA SEMINARS AND HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A STRAIGHT ANSWER. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FLY IFR IN THE AREA FROM SEPEMBER THROUGH APRIL WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A TECHNICAL VIOLATION. IN MY OPINION ICING SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME WAY AS TSTMS. THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT GOING OUT AND LOOKING PROVIDED YOU HAVE A SAFE BACKUP PLAN AND THE ICING FORECAST IS AS ROUTINE AS IT IS AROUND HERE, NAMELY ANY TIME THERE IS A CLOUD IN THE SKY WITH TEMPS BELOW FREEZING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.