Flight crew of an medium large transport air carrier aircraft stopped descent and climbed in respons...

Attributes
ACN	251453
Time
Date	199309
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : lga
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 12000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Marginal
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	enroute airway : n90
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1300
ASRS Report	251453
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action other
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

ATC gave us clearance to descend to 11000 ft. As we descended through 13000 ft, ATC pointed out traffic at 10500 ft at 11 O'clock. We responded that we did not see him. Descending through about 11500 ft, we got a TA followed by an RA to climb. We followed the TCASII RA and climbed from about 11300 up to 12000 ft and then back down to 11000 ft. We reported to ny approach we were climbing due to a TCASII alert and the controller responded, 'whatever,' in a very sarcastic tone. Feeling that the controller did not understand or appreciate our responsibility, we replied to him something to the effect of, 'we are up here and you're in a safe swivel chair,' to which he replied (in a sarcastic voce) 'what did you guys do before you had TCASII?' at any rate, the entire exchange of words was unproductive and did not serve to further the pilot controller TCASII relationship. The bottom line for us, the pilot, is: if we get a TCASII RA and we do not have a visual on the aircraft, we must follow the RA.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC OF AN MLG ACR ACFT STOPPED DSCNT AND CLBED IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA.

Narrative: ATC GAVE US CLRNC TO DSND TO 11000 FT. AS WE DSNDED THROUGH 13000 FT, ATC POINTED OUT TFC AT 10500 FT AT 11 O'CLOCK. WE RESPONDED THAT WE DID NOT SEE HIM. DSNDING THROUGH ABOUT 11500 FT, WE GOT A TA FOLLOWED BY AN RA TO CLB. WE FOLLOWED THE TCASII RA AND CLBED FROM ABOUT 11300 UP TO 12000 FT AND THEN BACK DOWN TO 11000 FT. WE RPTED TO NY APCH WE WERE CLBING DUE TO A TCASII ALERT AND THE CTLR RESPONDED, 'WHATEVER,' IN A VERY SARCASTIC TONE. FEELING THAT THE CTLR DID NOT UNDERSTAND OR APPRECIATE OUR RESPONSIBILITY, WE REPLIED TO HIM SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, 'WE ARE UP HERE AND YOU'RE IN A SAFE SWIVEL CHAIR,' TO WHICH HE REPLIED (IN A SARCASTIC VOCE) 'WHAT DID YOU GUYS DO BEFORE YOU HAD TCASII?' AT ANY RATE, THE ENTIRE EXCHANGE OF WORDS WAS UNPRODUCTIVE AND DID NOT SERVE TO FURTHER THE PLT CTLR TCASII RELATIONSHIP. THE BOTTOM LINE FOR US, THE PLT, IS: IF WE GET A TCASII RA AND WE DO NOT HAVE A VISUAL ON THE ACFT, WE MUST FOLLOW THE RA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Flight crew of an medium large transport air carrier aircraft stopped descent and climbed in response to a TCASII RA.