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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 245809 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199307 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pdx |
| State Reference | OR |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pdx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 8 |
| ASRS Report | 245809 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 400 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was working the south airspace at portland, or, TRACON. Air carrier checked in 35 NM southeast of pdx at 9000, nwbound landing at pdx. Upon crossing the boundary with ZSE I descended the aircraft to 7000. About a min later, I advised air carrier X of traffic 12 O'clock, 5 mi at 7800. Air carrier X was given a left turn and descent to 5500 ft and advised of the traffic again. Air carrier X accepted the clearance and responded that the aircraft was in sight. At that point I transferred air carrier X to the final controller. On that frequency, air carrier X reported that the traffic Y (VFR) that he had in sight above the cloud layer at approximately 7000 had spiraled down through the clouds in front of him. He spotted the aircraft Y upon breaking out at about 6500. I never had or could contact the (VFR) aircraft Y involved, and monitored it until losing radar contact at 2000 ft. I don't think that anything could have changed except the pilot of the VFR Y should have called for flight following or a clearance through the clouds.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT Y VFR IN IMC HAD LTSS WITH ACR X. PLTDEV.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING THE S AIRSPACE AT PORTLAND, OR, TRACON. ACR CHKED IN 35 NM SE OF PDX AT 9000, NWBOUND LNDG AT PDX. UPON XING THE BOUNDARY WITH ZSE I DSNDED THE ACFT TO 7000. ABOUT A MIN LATER, I ADVISED ACR X OF TFC 12 O'CLOCK, 5 MI AT 7800. ACR X WAS GIVEN A L TURN AND DSCNT TO 5500 FT AND ADVISED OF THE TFC AGAIN. ACR X ACCEPTED THE CLRNC AND RESPONDED THAT THE ACFT WAS IN SIGHT. AT THAT POINT I TRANSFERRED ACR X TO THE FINAL CTLR. ON THAT FREQ, ACR X RPTED THAT THE TFC Y (VFR) THAT HE HAD IN SIGHT ABOVE THE CLOUD LAYER AT APPROX 7000 HAD SPIRALED DOWN THROUGH THE CLOUDS IN FRONT OF HIM. HE SPOTTED THE ACFT Y UPON BREAKING OUT AT ABOUT 6500. I NEVER HAD OR COULD CONTACT THE (VFR) ACFT Y INVOLVED, AND MONITORED IT UNTIL LOSING RADAR CONTACT AT 2000 FT. I DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING COULD HAVE CHANGED EXCEPT THE PLT OF THE VFR Y SHOULD HAVE CALLED FOR FLT FOLLOWING OR A CLRNC THROUGH THE CLOUDS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.