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An air carrier medium large transport captain complains about his company working him past 8 hours on an unusual day.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 244901 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199306 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zzz |
| State Reference | US |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 244901 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | other personnel other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
My concern on the jun/wed/93 was centered on crew duty and flight time limits for a 2 man crew on a domestic pairing. I started my day reporting to operations at XA00 local. I blocked in at the end of my day at XK28 am on the jun/thu/93 (a 16 hour 28 min day). Additionally, I flew 10 hours 49 mins in that same duty period. I called my company dispatcher and they said there was no such limit (16 hour day). Further, they said I could fly any amount of hours because I was originally scheduled for only 7 hour 56 mins. To me the FARS are so unclr as to render them meaningless. It also opens a door to my company to push me to the point of shutting down the flight on my own for safety. My company also believes that a phone call from crew scheduling at 0400 am is not violating crew rest. I wish I had an FAA 'rule-maker' on my right hand throughout this day to see a real-life workday gone sour because of FARS that are not clear. My company will push me to the limit, but I have to quote FARS that are worthless to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG CAPT COMPLAINS ABOUT HIS COMPANY WORKING HIM PAST 8 HRS ON AN UNUSUAL DAY.
Narrative: MY CONCERN ON THE JUN/WED/93 WAS CTRED ON CREW DUTY AND FLT TIME LIMITS FOR A 2 MAN CREW ON A DOMESTIC PAIRING. I STARTED MY DAY RPTING TO OPS AT XA00 LCL. I BLOCKED IN AT THE END OF MY DAY AT XK28 AM ON THE JUN/THU/93 (A 16 HR 28 MIN DAY). ADDITIONALLY, I FLEW 10 HRS 49 MINS IN THAT SAME DUTY PERIOD. I CALLED MY COMPANY DISPATCHER AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NO SUCH LIMIT (16 HR DAY). FURTHER, THEY SAID I COULD FLY ANY AMOUNT OF HRS BECAUSE I WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR ONLY 7 HR 56 MINS. TO ME THE FARS ARE SO UNCLR AS TO RENDER THEM MEANINGLESS. IT ALSO OPENS A DOOR TO MY COMPANY TO PUSH ME TO THE POINT OF SHUTTING DOWN THE FLT ON MY OWN FOR SAFETY. MY COMPANY ALSO BELIEVES THAT A PHONE CALL FROM CREW SCHEDULING AT 0400 AM IS NOT VIOLATING CREW REST. I WISH I HAD AN FAA 'RULE-MAKER' ON MY R HAND THROUGHOUT THIS DAY TO SEE A REAL-LIFE WORKDAY GONE SOUR BECAUSE OF FARS THAT ARE NOT CLR. MY COMPANY WILL PUSH ME TO THE LIMIT, BUT I HAVE TO QUOTE FARS THAT ARE WORTHLESS TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.