Large transport overshot runway centerline with parallel approachs in progress.

Attributes
ACN	243824
Time
Date	199306
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : lax artcc : zoa
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 5800 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	243824
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On radar vectors to intercept runway 24R at lax. Heavy smog and thick haze, bad visibility to west. Flight test procedures occurring between captain and so throughout entire flight. (I was put on this with no flight test training and against my will.) constant chatter between these guys below 10000 ft very distracting. On base intense conversation about malfunctioning nose gear in transit light erupted. Apparently in the middle of all this the captain told approach we had the runway. He never asked me if I had it, so I continued on radar vectors. I don't know if we were really cleared for a visual or not. If we were, I never heard it because of the engineer's constant blabbing about the nose gear light. Apparently what the captain was looking at was the south lax complex, runway 25L/right which is further west than the 24 north complex. I complained that ATC should have turned us by now or cleared us for the ILS. The captain just sat there and said nothing. I initiated a turn because I didn't want to go to mexico! ATC then informed us we were well south of course. With parallel approachs in progress this was a dangerous situation. Neither of us ever had runway 24L or runway 24R in sight at any time during this phase of approach. I feel it is inexcusable for the PNF to call the runway in sight without asking the PF if he has it or not.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LGT OVERSHOT RWY CTRLINE WITH PARALLEL APCHS IN PROGRESS.

Narrative: ON RADAR VECTORS TO INTERCEPT RWY 24R AT LAX. HVY SMOG AND THICK HAZE, BAD VISIBILITY TO W. FLT TEST PROCS OCCURRING BTWN CAPT AND SO THROUGHOUT ENTIRE FLT. (I WAS PUT ON THIS WITH NO FLT TEST TRAINING AND AGAINST MY WILL.) CONSTANT CHATTER BTWN THESE GUYS BELOW 10000 FT VERY DISTRACTING. ON BASE INTENSE CONVERSATION ABOUT MALFUNCTIONING NOSE GEAR IN TRANSIT LIGHT ERUPTED. APPARENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS THE CAPT TOLD APCH WE HAD THE RWY. HE NEVER ASKED ME IF I HAD IT, SO I CONTINUED ON RADAR VECTORS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE REALLY CLRED FOR A VISUAL OR NOT. IF WE WERE, I NEVER HEARD IT BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEER'S CONSTANT BLABBING ABOUT THE NOSE GEAR LIGHT. APPARENTLY WHAT THE CAPT WAS LOOKING AT WAS THE S LAX COMPLEX, RWY 25L/R WHICH IS FURTHER W THAN THE 24 N COMPLEX. I COMPLAINED THAT ATC SHOULD HAVE TURNED US BY NOW OR CLRED US FOR THE ILS. THE CAPT JUST SAT THERE AND SAID NOTHING. I INITIATED A TURN BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO MEXICO! ATC THEN INFORMED US WE WERE WELL S OF COURSE. WITH PARALLEL APCHS IN PROGRESS THIS WAS A DANGEROUS SIT. NEITHER OF US EVER HAD RWY 24L OR RWY 24R IN SIGHT AT ANY TIME DURING THIS PHASE OF APCH. I FEEL IT IS INEXCUSABLE FOR THE PNF TO CALL THE RWY IN SIGHT WITHOUT ASKING THE PF IF HE HAS IT OR NOT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.