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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : cxy|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||landing other|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : cfi|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 200|
flight time total : 800
flight time type : 600
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Qualification||pilot : student|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
other anomaly other
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : insufficient time|
none taken : detected after the fact
|Consequence||faa : investigated|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
My student landed incorrectly, veered off the runway and the aircraft flipped after hitting snow off the runway. Aircraft was substantially damaged. Pilot unhurt. After reviewing his records, it became apparent that he had not been given a pre-solo test as per 61.87. As he was one of my first students, and as he had previously taken and passed a written, as well as soloed and soloed cross country with a previous instructor, I felt that if I could prep him and have him pass a new FAA written examination, he would demonstrate aeronautical knowledge sufficient for the regulation. All of the other students I have soloed 'from scratch' I have given the pre-solo test. As this student demonstrated to a previous instructor (and myself) the pertinent knowledge I felt that I had covered the regulation. In retrospect I realize that each soloed student, regardless of previous demonstration of aeronautical knowledge must have demonstrated knowledge to myself.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: STUDENT PLT LOST CTL OF ACFT ON LNDG AND WENT OFF SIDE OF RWY AND FLIPPED OVER CAUSING SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO THE ACFT.
Narrative: MY STUDENT LANDED INCORRECTLY, VEERED OFF THE RWY AND THE ACFT FLIPPED AFTER HITTING SNOW OFF THE RWY. ACFT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED. PLT UNHURT. AFTER REVIEWING HIS RECORDS, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT HE HAD NOT BEEN GIVEN A PRE-SOLO TEST AS PER 61.87. AS HE WAS ONE OF MY FIRST STUDENTS, AND AS HE HAD PREVIOUSLY TAKEN AND PASSED A WRITTEN, AS WELL AS SOLOED AND SOLOED XCOUNTRY WITH A PREVIOUS INSTRUCTOR, I FELT THAT IF I COULD PREP HIM AND HAVE HIM PASS A NEW FAA WRITTEN EXAM, HE WOULD DEMONSTRATE AERO KNOWLEDGE SUFFICIENT FOR THE REG. ALL OF THE OTHER STUDENTS I HAVE SOLOED 'FROM SCRATCH' I HAVE GIVEN THE PRE-SOLO TEST. AS THIS STUDENT DEMONSTRATED TO A PREVIOUS INSTRUCTOR (AND MYSELF) THE PERTINENT KNOWLEDGE I FELT THAT I HAD COVERED THE REG. IN RETROSPECT I REALIZE THAT EACH SOLOED STUDENT, REGARDLESS OF PREVIOUS DEMONSTRATION OF AERO KNOWLEDGE MUST HAVE DEMONSTRATED KNOWLEDGE TO MYSELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.