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Air carrier X position and hold on active runway with low visibility WX. Impending landing on occupied runway. Operational deviation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 229853 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199212 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : gso |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cmh |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 229853 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
This is almost a double-take of the lax accident. Tank god I questioned the controller. The WX was lousy on taxi out. Air carrier X told we had a release time of XX52, we were told to hold short of the ILS hold line which we did. After landing traffic and 5 mins before our release time, tower gave us position and hold on runway 23. After holding about 4 mins in position, my sixth sense did not like holding on the runway with the WX that bad, so I informed the controller. Air carrier X was still in position. With that, an air carrier checked on landing. The controller told him standby for a possible go around, then cleared us for takeoff. The controller forgot all about us in position on the runway and had landing traffic -- believe me, with that uncomfortable feeling, I had saved the day because these controllers were in la la land.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X POS AND HOLD ON ACTIVE RWY WITH LOW VISIBILITY WX. IMPENDING LNDG ON OCCUPIED RWY. OPDEV.
Narrative: THIS IS ALMOST A DOUBLE-TAKE OF THE LAX ACCIDENT. TANK GOD I QUESTIONED THE CTLR. THE WX WAS LOUSY ON TAXI OUT. ACR X TOLD WE HAD A RELEASE TIME OF XX52, WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD LINE WHICH WE DID. AFTER LNDG TFC AND 5 MINS BEFORE OUR RELEASE TIME, TWR GAVE US POS AND HOLD ON RWY 23. AFTER HOLDING ABOUT 4 MINS IN POS, MY SIXTH SENSE DID NOT LIKE HOLDING ON THE RWY WITH THE WX THAT BAD, SO I INFORMED THE CTLR. ACR X WAS STILL IN POS. WITH THAT, AN ACR CHKED ON LNDG. THE CTLR TOLD HIM STANDBY FOR A POSSIBLE GAR, THEN CLRED US FOR TKOF. THE CTLR FORGOT ALL ABOUT US IN POS ON THE RWY AND HAD LNDG TFC -- BELIEVE ME, WITH THAT UNCOMFORTABLE FEELING, I HAD SAVED THE DAY BECAUSE THESE CTLRS WERE IN LA LA LAND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.