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Flight crew of atx small transport aircraft questioned whether a repositioning flight had legal runway length for the operation conducted.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 227771 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199211 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : fxe |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hnl |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 227771 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 1300 |
| ASRS Report | 227847 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Aircraft departed miami international for ft lauderdale executive airport VFR. Upon initial contact with fxe tower they advised us there was a disabled aircraft on runway 26 (6000 ft long), and requested us to report left base for runway 31 (4000 ft long). We reported as requested, and landed without incident. After landing, and upon checking landing distance charts, we found 4000 ft was sufficient to meet far part 91 requirements, but not adequate for far part 135 operations. Some confusion has arisen as to whether you must meet far part 135 landing distance requirements on the 'dead legs' of a far part 135 trip. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was advised that since the purpose of the flight was for repositioning of the aircraft (ferry flight) was not transporting persons or property for hire, far part 135 rules did not apply. Therefore, only the performance limitations of the aircraft required under part 91 applied. Supplemental information from acn 227847: on nov/sun/92 we positioned our aircraft, an small transport jet, to miami international for what we were told was a trip to curaco and back but when we got down to miami we met the man organizing the trip and we found that we were to also go to sumi. We had already topped off and we had to deadhead to fxe to pick up the plates of sumi. We took off VFR and went back to fxe. Upon arrival, runway 26 was closed by a disabled aircraft so the captain elected to land overweight and have maintenance inspect.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF ATX SMT ACFT QUESTIONED WHETHER A REPOSITIONING FLT HAD LEGAL RWY LENGTH FOR THE OP CONDUCTED.
Narrative: ACFT DEPARTED MIAMI INTL FOR FT LAUDERDALE EXECUTIVE ARPT VFR. UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH FXE TWR THEY ADVISED US THERE WAS A DISABLED ACFT ON RWY 26 (6000 FT LONG), AND REQUESTED US TO RPT L BASE FOR RWY 31 (4000 FT LONG). WE RPTED AS REQUESTED, AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. AFTER LNDG, AND UPON CHKING LNDG DISTANCE CHARTS, WE FOUND 4000 FT WAS SUFFICIENT TO MEET FAR PART 91 REQUIREMENTS, BUT NOT ADEQUATE FOR FAR PART 135 OPS. SOME CONFUSION HAS ARISEN AS TO WHETHER YOU MUST MEET FAR PART 135 LNDG DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS ON THE 'DEAD LEGS' OF A FAR PART 135 TRIP. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS ADVISED THAT SINCE THE PURPOSE OF THE FLT WAS FOR REPOSITIONING OF THE ACFT (FERRY FLT) WAS NOT TRANSPORTING PERSONS OR PROPERTY FOR HIRE, FAR PART 135 RULES DID NOT APPLY. THEREFORE, ONLY THE PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS OF THE ACFT REQUIRED UNDER PART 91 APPLIED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 227847: ON NOV/SUN/92 WE POSITIONED OUR ACFT, AN SMT JET, TO MIAMI INTL FOR WHAT WE WERE TOLD WAS A TRIP TO CURACO AND BACK BUT WHEN WE GOT DOWN TO MIAMI WE MET THE MAN ORGANIZING THE TRIP AND WE FOUND THAT WE WERE TO ALSO GO TO SUMI. WE HAD ALREADY TOPPED OFF AND WE HAD TO DEADHEAD TO FXE TO PICK UP THE PLATES OF SUMI. WE TOOK OFF VFR AND WENT BACK TO FXE. UPON ARR, RWY 26 WAS CLOSED BY A DISABLED ACFT SO THE CAPT ELECTED TO LAND OVERWT AND HAVE MAINT INSPECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.