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An air carrier large transport on the lga 4 SID whitestone climb is pushed toward a possible conflict with traffic at jfk by strong winds aloft.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 218659 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199208 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 218659 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were departing lga on runway 13 with a whitestone climb. Departure instructions call for a 175 degree heading until 2.5 DME and then a left turn to 040 degree. At 2.5 DME we started a 25-30 degree angle of bank left turn. As we were passing a heading of approximately 120 degree, departure control advised us to start a left turn that we were getting near jfk. When we replied that we were in our turn he said we were still drifting south toward kennedy. He also said the strong winds (takeoff wind at lga 070 at 10 KTS) were moving us south. Since we flew the published departure as closely as we could and a possible conflict arose, I feel that for safety reasons we should have been told to start our turn sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT ON THE LGA 4 SID WHITESTONE CLB IS PUSHED TOWARD A POSSIBLE CONFLICT WITH TFC AT JFK BY STRONG WINDS ALOFT.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING LGA ON RWY 13 WITH A WHITESTONE CLB. DEP INSTRUCTIONS CALL FOR A 175 DEG HDG UNTIL 2.5 DME AND THEN A L TURN TO 040 DEG. AT 2.5 DME WE STARTED A 25-30 DEG ANGLE OF BANK L TURN. AS WE WERE PASSING A HDG OF APPROX 120 DEG, DEP CTL ADVISED US TO START A L TURN THAT WE WERE GETTING NEAR JFK. WHEN WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE IN OUR TURN HE SAID WE WERE STILL DRIFTING S TOWARD KENNEDY. HE ALSO SAID THE STRONG WINDS (TKOF WIND AT LGA 070 AT 10 KTS) WERE MOVING US S. SINCE WE FLEW THE PUBLISHED DEP AS CLOSELY AS WE COULD AND A POSSIBLE CONFLICT AROSE, I FEEL THAT FOR SAFETY REASONS WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD TO START OUR TURN SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.