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Small aircraft commuter cleared to follow widebody transport to visual approach and landing. 2 wdbs in area, sighted wrong one. Request parallel runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 217663 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199208 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 217663 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flight was mry to lax. I was the PF, my first officer was the PNF. We were crossing the smo VOR, and approach asked 'if we have traffic 1 O'clock, widebody transport Y 2500.' first officer replies 'traffic in sight.' approach says 'I'm sorry widebody transport X, descend to 2500 follow that widebody transport X to 24R. Clear visual. First officer replies 'widebody transport X in sight 2500 ft, follow widebody transport X, cleared visual 24R.' I started my descent, leaving 5000. I waited for the widebody transport to be abeam us before I turned base leg. I want to give us some space between the widebody transport and stay high to avoid wake. I turned final. The widebody transport was turning off 24R about 2 dots high then handed off to tower 133.90. Lax tower says 'XXX are you following that widebody transport.' first officer replies, 'yes, XXX.' tower says '11 O'clock low. We were about 500 ft above and 1/4 mi behind. First officer replies, 'we're following that widebody transport. Insight, we need 24L.' tower says 'clear to land 24L.' we land west ith no problems. Lax approach gave us the wrong widebody transport or we saw the wrong one. We didn't know there were 2 wdbs. Approach should have told us and gave a landmark to pick up the widebody transport. If I was lower it could've been a problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA COMMUTER CLRED TO FOLLOW WDB TO VISUAL APCH AND LNDG. 2 WDBS IN AREA, SIGHTED WRONG ONE. REQUEST PARALLEL RWY.
Narrative: FLT WAS MRY TO LAX. I WAS THE PF, MY FO WAS THE PNF. WE WERE XING THE SMO VOR, AND APCH ASKED 'IF WE HAVE TFC 1 O'CLOCK, WDB Y 2500.' FO REPLIES 'TFC IN SIGHT.' APCH SAYS 'I'M SORRY WDB X, DSND TO 2500 FOLLOW THAT WDB X TO 24R. CLR VISUAL. FO REPLIES 'WDB X IN SIGHT 2500 FT, FOLLOW WDB X, CLRED VISUAL 24R.' I STARTED MY DSCNT, LEAVING 5000. I WAITED FOR THE WDB TO BE ABEAM US BEFORE I TURNED BASE LEG. I WANT TO GIVE US SOME SPACE BTWN THE WDB AND STAY HIGH TO AVOID WAKE. I TURNED FINAL. THE WDB WAS TURNING OFF 24R ABOUT 2 DOTS HIGH THEN HANDED OFF TO TWR 133.90. LAX TWR SAYS 'XXX ARE YOU FOLLOWING THAT WDB.' FO REPLIES, 'YES, XXX.' TWR SAYS '11 O'CLOCK LOW. WE WERE ABOUT 500 FT ABOVE AND 1/4 MI BEHIND. FO REPLIES, 'WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT WDB. INSIGHT, WE NEED 24L.' TWR SAYS 'CLR TO LAND 24L.' WE LAND W ITH NO PROBLEMS. LAX APCH GAVE US THE WRONG WDB OR WE SAW THE WRONG ONE. WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE 2 WDBS. APCH SHOULD HAVE TOLD US AND GAVE A LANDMARK TO PICK UP THE WDB. IF I WAS LOWER IT COULD'VE BEEN A PROBLEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.