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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 213643 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199206 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : san |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : san |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 213643 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On vectors for a visual approach to runway 27 at san. After having advised approach control that I had 'in sight' the traffic he pointed out to me, and which I was to follow to the airport on a visual approach, while turning to base leg, I realized that I was initially looking at a different aircraft than the one approach control had in mind, as the 'real one' was on my left and would be too close if I maintained my planned course of flight and course of action. So, I continued a right turn to make a 360 degree and follow the right aircraft (on my left). At the same time as I was turning away from him, approach control advised me of the traffic on my left and added his instruction for a right 360 degree turn for resequencing. No danger of collision existed due to the timely turn away from the right traffic, which I had originally missed. But it was too close for comfort. On my part, the 'TCASII' system was instrumental in recognizing the potential conflict and had issued a 'TA.' (no RA was issued by may TCASII. Only a TA). At first, I hated the TCASII. This has made a believer out of me. It's potential is invaluable.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG SIGHTS WRONG TFC TO FOLLOW. ON BASE LEG TURN SIGHTS CORRECT TFC AT CLOSE PROX. EVASIVE ACTION.
Narrative: ON VECTORS FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27 AT SAN. AFTER HAVING ADVISED APCH CTL THAT I HAD 'IN SIGHT' THE TFC HE POINTED OUT TO ME, AND WHICH I WAS TO FOLLOW TO THE ARPT ON A VISUAL APCH, WHILE TURNING TO BASE LEG, I REALIZED THAT I WAS INITIALLY LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ACFT THAN THE ONE APCH CTL HAD IN MIND, AS THE 'REAL ONE' WAS ON MY L AND WOULD BE TOO CLOSE IF I MAINTAINED MY PLANNED COURSE OF FLT AND COURSE OF ACTION. SO, I CONTINUED A R TURN TO MAKE A 360 DEG AND FOLLOW THE R ACFT (ON MY L). AT THE SAME TIME AS I WAS TURNING AWAY FROM HIM, APCH CTL ADVISED ME OF THE TFC ON MY L AND ADDED HIS INSTRUCTION FOR A R 360 DEG TURN FOR RESEQUENCING. NO DANGER OF COLLISION EXISTED DUE TO THE TIMELY TURN AWAY FROM THE R TFC, WHICH I HAD ORIGINALLY MISSED. BUT IT WAS TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT. ON MY PART, THE 'TCASII' SYS WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN RECOGNIZING THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT AND HAD ISSUED A 'TA.' (NO RA WAS ISSUED BY MAY TCASII. ONLY A TA). AT FIRST, I HATED THE TCASII. THIS HAS MADE A BELIEVER OUT OF ME. IT'S POTENTIAL IS INVALUABLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.