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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 211446 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199206 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : stl |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zkc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| ASRS Report | 211446 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
This conversation occurred between myself and the pilot of air carrier X. Controller: descend and maintain FL240, reduce speed to 250. Pilot: how much room do you need center? Controller: about what I have now. Pilot: ok -- we have the 2 jets on the box, we'll just follow them in. The conversation was cordial and well- intentioned, I'm sure, but did that mean the crew was going to disregard the speed restriction and keep the in- trail by themselves? A lot of questions rolled through my mind after the exchange. By the way -- I didn't respond.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X MISCONCEPTION ABOUT USE OF TCASII FOR STANDARD SEPARATION.
Narrative: THIS CONVERSATION OCCURRED BTWN MYSELF AND THE PLT OF ACR X. CTLR: DSND AND MAINTAIN FL240, REDUCE SPD TO 250. PLT: HOW MUCH ROOM DO YOU NEED CTR? CTLR: ABOUT WHAT I HAVE NOW. PLT: OK -- WE HAVE THE 2 JETS ON THE BOX, WE'LL JUST FOLLOW THEM IN. THE CONVERSATION WAS CORDIAL AND WELL- INTENTIONED, I'M SURE, BUT DID THAT MEAN THE CREW WAS GOING TO DISREGARD THE SPD RESTRICTION AND KEEP THE IN- TRAIL BY THEMSELVES? A LOT OF QUESTIONS ROLLED THROUGH MY MIND AFTER THE EXCHANGE. BY THE WAY -- I DIDN'T RESPOND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.