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Flight crew of commuter penetrates R-4009 after initial vector from ZNY fails to establish V-143 before robrt intersection.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 207152 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199204 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : mrb |
| State Reference | WV |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny tracon : iad artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 1900 |
| ASRS Report | 207152 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were being vectored by ZNY -- they had given us a vector of 210 degree 'to intercept V-143.' shortly thereafter, we were handed off to iad approach who told us to depart robrt intersection heading 250 degree for in-trail spacing to dulles. The 210 heading assigned by ZNY did not get us established on V-143 prior to robrt, but at 26 DME we turned to heading 250, which put us into R-4009. After discussing this with iad facility manager, he informed me this is an ongoing problem arising from poor communication between ZNY and iad approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF COMMUTER PENETRATES R-4009 AFTER INITIAL VECTOR FROM ZNY FAILS TO ESTABLISH V-143 BEFORE ROBRT INTXN.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED BY ZNY -- THEY HAD GIVEN US A VECTOR OF 210 DEG 'TO INTERCEPT V-143.' SHORTLY THEREAFTER, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO IAD APCH WHO TOLD US TO DEPART ROBRT INTXN HDG 250 DEG FOR IN-TRAIL SPACING TO DULLES. THE 210 HDG ASSIGNED BY ZNY DID NOT GET US ESTABLISHED ON V-143 PRIOR TO ROBRT, BUT AT 26 DME WE TURNED TO HDG 250, WHICH PUT US INTO R-4009. AFTER DISCUSSING THIS WITH IAD FAC MGR, HE INFORMED ME THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM ARISING FROM POOR COM BTWN ZNY AND IAD APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.