2 military fgt aircraft depart without transponder on and not idented until almost 4 mi from airport...

Attributes
ACN	195984
Time
Date	199112
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hif
State Reference	UT
Altitude	msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : slc
Operator	other
Make Model Name	Fighter
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : takeoff
Route In Use	departure other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	controller : approach
Qualification	controller : radar
ASRS Report	195984
Person 2
Affiliation	government : military
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : military
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	other physical facility

Narrative:

ASR 9. 2 fgt's departed hill air force base with transponder off. No radar until the aircraft turned transponder on. Radar idented on hif 170/3.88. This is common. Unless an aircraft has his transponder turned on, we will not receive a target on the radar, only from hill air force base.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: 2 MIL FGT ACFT DEPART WITHOUT TRANSPONDER ON AND NOT IDENTED UNTIL ALMOST 4 MI FROM ARPT.

Narrative: ASR 9. 2 FGT'S DEPARTED HILL AIR FORCE BASE WITH TRANSPONDER OFF. NO RADAR UNTIL THE ACFT TURNED TRANSPONDER ON. RADAR IDENTED ON HIF 170/3.88. THIS IS COMMON. UNLESS AN ACFT HAS HIS TRANSPONDER TURNED ON, WE WILL NOT RECEIVE A TARGET ON THE RADAR, ONLY FROM HILL AIR FORCE BASE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.