Large transport on prado SID given traffic on civilian fgt 'pop-up' traffic to cno. TCASII gave conflicting instructions to those issued by departure controller.

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Attributes
ACN	193351
Time
Date	199110
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pdz airport : cno airport : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2050
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ont tower : pit
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other enroute airway : ont
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Fighter
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent other
Flight Plan	VFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2600
ASRS Report	193351
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action other
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 2000 vertical : 50
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

Cleared to 7000 on prado SID, TCASII advised 'traffic'. Shortly thereafter, ontario approach advised 'pop-up traffic.' TCASII RA 'descend.' we turned left, a civilian fgt Y (warbird going to chino airport), turned left, and a descent was implemented. Haze layer was up to 1500 MSL. We were on top climbing through 2000, visibility was unlimited. I was slow in reacting to the RA in descending. Discussion with crew members later revealed that looking outside for the traffic and using the ivsi is difficult to prioritize. I feel that I should have been quicker in my descent. Summary: TCASII did it's job, controller called traffic, proximity of chino to ontario and the prado SID are too close, my reaction to the descent should have been quicker (see note), need I add -- crowded skies in south ca. Note: if memory serves me correct, controller said 'expedite' climb, TCASII said descend and like any warning, I was (and the crew) analyzing the TCASII warning.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LGT ON PRADO SID GIVEN TFC ON CIVILIAN FGT 'POP-UP' TFC TO CNO. TCASII GAVE CONFLICTING INSTRUCTIONS TO THOSE ISSUED BY DEP CTLR.

Narrative: CLRED TO 7000 ON PRADO SID, TCASII ADVISED 'TFC'. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, ONTARIO APCH ADVISED 'POP-UP TFC.' TCASII RA 'DSND.' WE TURNED L, A CIVILIAN FGT Y (WARBIRD GOING TO CHINO ARPT), TURNED L, AND A DSCNT WAS IMPLEMENTED. HAZE LAYER WAS UP TO 1500 MSL. WE WERE ON TOP CLBING THROUGH 2000, VISIBILITY WAS UNLIMITED. I WAS SLOW IN REACTING TO THE RA IN DSNDING. DISCUSSION WITH CREW MEMBERS LATER REVEALED THAT LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR THE TFC AND USING THE IVSI IS DIFFICULT TO PRIORITIZE. I FEEL THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUICKER IN MY DSCNT. SUMMARY: TCASII DID IT'S JOB, CTLR CALLED TFC, PROX OF CHINO TO ONTARIO AND THE PRADO SID ARE TOO CLOSE, MY REACTION TO THE DSCNT SHOULD HAVE BEEN QUICKER (SEE NOTE), NEED I ADD -- CROWDED SKIES IN S CA. NOTE: IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, CTLR SAID 'EXPEDITE' CLB, TCASII SAID DSND AND LIKE ANY WARNING, I WAS (AND THE CREW) ANALYZING THE TCASII WARNING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.