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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 192343 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199110 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : stl |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 8750 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | arrival star : star |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1900 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 192343 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was wbound on V44 crossing over top of stl TCA at 8500 ft MSL. I contacted stl approach outside of 30 mi veil for advisories. I was told there would be numerous aircraft opposite direction at 9000 ft. There were clouds ahead that I would not be 1000 ft above, although I could stay on top at 8500 ft. I asked permission to climb to 10500 so as to have VFR cloud clearance. The controller said no to my request. I was able to stay on top at 8750 ft. About 10 mi east of ftz I took evasive action (left turn) to avoid a widebody transport at my 12 O'clock and 3 mi. I now realize that I was flying against traffic on a STAR. I should have climbed to 10500 prior to overflying the TCA. I don't know why the controller didn't vector me south of the STAR a few mi. The top of the TCA is 8000 ft, which I thought meant that the arriving aircraft would be at 8000 ft or less when they reached the outer limits of the TCA. I didn't expect arriving aircraft to enter the TCA from above (where I was). I used poor judgement by using an airway that is part of a STAR, however, I would expect that the controller should be more concerned about the hazard I created.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX GA-SMA ACR-WDB OVER STL TCA.
Narrative: I WAS WBOUND ON V44 XING OVER TOP OF STL TCA AT 8500 FT MSL. I CONTACTED STL APCH OUTSIDE OF 30 MI VEIL FOR ADVISORIES. I WAS TOLD THERE WOULD BE NUMEROUS ACFT OPPOSITE DIRECTION AT 9000 FT. THERE WERE CLOUDS AHEAD THAT I WOULD NOT BE 1000 FT ABOVE, ALTHOUGH I COULD STAY ON TOP AT 8500 FT. I ASKED PERMISSION TO CLB TO 10500 SO AS TO HAVE VFR CLOUD CLRNC. THE CTLR SAID NO TO MY REQUEST. I WAS ABLE TO STAY ON TOP AT 8750 FT. ABOUT 10 MI E OF FTZ I TOOK EVASIVE ACTION (L TURN) TO AVOID A WDB AT MY 12 O'CLOCK AND 3 MI. I NOW REALIZE THAT I WAS FLYING AGAINST TFC ON A STAR. I SHOULD HAVE CLBED TO 10500 PRIOR TO OVERFLYING THE TCA. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CTLR DIDN'T VECTOR ME S OF THE STAR A FEW MI. THE TOP OF THE TCA IS 8000 FT, WHICH I THOUGHT MEANT THAT THE ARRIVING ACFT WOULD BE AT 8000 FT OR LESS WHEN THEY REACHED THE OUTER LIMITS OF THE TCA. I DIDN'T EXPECT ARRIVING ACFT TO ENTER THE TCA FROM ABOVE (WHERE I WAS). I USED POOR JUDGEMENT BY USING AN AIRWAY THAT IS PART OF A STAR, HOWEVER, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE CTLR SHOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HAZARD I CREATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.