Instructor and student penetrated ny TCA.

Attributes
ACN	178410
Time
Date	199105
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : teb
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1650
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 25
ASRS Report	178410
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : student
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 1 flight time total : 1 flight time type : 1
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

This was a first flight lesson for a new student, during which I typically point out some key VFR landmarks and TCA identify points. Alpine tower is one, on the west side of the hudson river, north of teb and several mi south of tappan zee bridge. The TCA floor is 3000' MSL north of alpine tower, and if over the river, 1500', though it steps up to 1800' over nj (the land). 10 mi or so to the south, at the george washington bridge, the base of the TCA dips to 1100'. The finger of airspace between the george washington bridge and the alpine tower is like a highway speed trap for FAA if they choose to make it so, and incursions there are frequent. I instructed the student to descend prior to reaching the alpine tower, flying west to east, out of 1700'. Upon reaching a position 1-2 mi south of alpine tower, student was still at 1650', though descending over the river. He was told to hasten his descent, which he did, and admonished to be aware of that little corner of the TCA. There was no known traffic conflict, and on indication that anything was amiss. Upon landing at cdw, tower advised that ny approach desired a phone call, reason unknown. The phone call was not returned.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT PENETRATED NY TCA.

Narrative: THIS WAS A FIRST FLT LESSON FOR A NEW STUDENT, DURING WHICH I TYPICALLY POINT OUT SOME KEY VFR LANDMARKS AND TCA IDENT POINTS. ALPINE TWR IS ONE, ON THE W SIDE OF THE HUDSON RIVER, N OF TEB AND SEVERAL MI S OF TAPPAN ZEE BRIDGE. THE TCA FLOOR IS 3000' MSL N OF ALPINE TWR, AND IF OVER THE RIVER, 1500', THOUGH IT STEPS UP TO 1800' OVER NJ (THE LAND). 10 MI OR SO TO THE S, AT THE GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE, THE BASE OF THE TCA DIPS TO 1100'. THE FINGER OF AIRSPACE BTWN THE GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE AND THE ALPINE TWR IS LIKE A HWY SPD TRAP FOR FAA IF THEY CHOOSE TO MAKE IT SO, AND INCURSIONS THERE ARE FREQUENT. I INSTRUCTED THE STUDENT TO DSND PRIOR TO REACHING THE ALPINE TWR, FLYING W TO E, OUT OF 1700'. UPON REACHING A POS 1-2 MI S OF ALPINE TWR, STUDENT WAS STILL AT 1650', THOUGH DSNDING OVER THE RIVER. HE WAS TOLD TO HASTEN HIS DSNT, WHICH HE DID, AND ADMONISHED TO BE AWARE OF THAT LITTLE CORNER OF THE TCA. THERE WAS NO KNOWN TFC CONFLICT, AND ON INDICATION THAT ANYTHING WAS AMISS. UPON LNDG AT CDW, TWR ADVISED THAT NY APCH DESIRED A PHONE CALL, REASON UNKNOWN. THE PHONE CALL WAS NOT RETURNED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.