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Rerouting by ZMP controller was refused by medium large transport flight crew account computer indicated minimum fuel for new route. Ramp inspection on arrival of fuel remaining. Inspector critical of flight crew flight crew for creating confusion and concern with phraseology of minimum fuel.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 175944 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199104 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lnk |
| State Reference | NE |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 31000 msl bound upper : 39000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : j64 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 15500 |
| ASRS Report | 175944 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flight phl to lax was cleared J64 lax. After climbing to FL390, halfway between pit and fwa, we encountered turbulence and descended to FL310 until the most westerly sector of ZMP. Then climbed back to FL390. At this time, we were reclred J60, but the FMC flashed insufficient fuel. The ATC center was advised unable because of minimum fuel. We had to use engine icing and flying at lower altitude for long period of time, consumed more fuel than required by flight plan. ZMP ATC reclred us on our original route J64 to lax. Upon arrival, 2 aci's met the flight. They showed identify, checked license and physicals, look at the remaining fuel. Mr. Xx of the lax flight standards office remarked, you have 13200# of fuel, and that is more than required. He also said, when you said something about minimum fuel. The ATC controller became alarmed and a misunderstanding developed by the terminology of 'minimum fuel.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: REROUTING BY ZMP CTLR WAS REFUSED BY MLG FLT CREW ACCOUNT COMPUTER INDICATED MINIMUM FUEL FOR NEW ROUTE. RAMP INSPECTION ON ARR OF FUEL REMAINING. INSPECTOR CRITICAL OF FLT CREW FLT CREW FOR CREATING CONFUSION AND CONCERN WITH PHRASEOLOGY OF MINIMUM FUEL.
Narrative: FLT PHL TO LAX WAS CLRED J64 LAX. AFTER CLBING TO FL390, HALFWAY BTWN PIT AND FWA, WE ENCOUNTERED TURB AND DSNDED TO FL310 UNTIL THE MOST WESTERLY SECTOR OF ZMP. THEN CLBED BACK TO FL390. AT THIS TIME, WE WERE RECLRED J60, BUT THE FMC FLASHED INSUFFICIENT FUEL. THE ATC CENTER WAS ADVISED UNABLE BECAUSE OF MINIMUM FUEL. WE HAD TO USE ENG ICING AND FLYING AT LOWER ALT FOR LONG PERIOD OF TIME, CONSUMED MORE FUEL THAN REQUIRED BY FLT PLAN. ZMP ATC RECLRED US ON OUR ORIGINAL RTE J64 TO LAX. UPON ARR, 2 ACI'S MET THE FLT. THEY SHOWED IDENT, CHKED LICENSE AND PHYSICALS, LOOK AT THE REMAINING FUEL. MR. XX OF THE LAX FLT STANDARDS OFFICE REMARKED, YOU HAVE 13200# OF FUEL, AND THAT IS MORE THAN REQUIRED. HE ALSO SAID, WHEN YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT MINIMUM FUEL. THE ATC CTLR BECAME ALARMED AND A MISUNDERSTANDING DEVELOPED BY THE TERMINOLOGY OF 'MINIMUM FUEL.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.