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Flight crew's company release called for direct lax. First officer questioned the release. Center was querried. Flight made normal STAR descent and approach to lax.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 173754 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199103 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pdz airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : j60 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10780 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 173754 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Coming into lax our flight plan read, 'J-60 hector ...lax.' I did not see a STAR filed and being a new release I interpreted it to read J-60, hel, J-60 direct lax. So, I flew J-60 into lax, or at least towards it. My first officer became excited and said we were to be going direct lax VOR. I told him, I have never in my 15 yrs gone direct to lax VOR, ever...so, in lieu of a STAR arrival I kept on J-60. In reality, the new release actually meant direct lax after hector VOR. The release should be easier to interpret than it is, and lax center/approach is so busy when we asked them what did they want us to do the controller said, as usually 'intercept 25L localizer and track inbound.' as to a STAR? Controller said just fly the localizer and we'd be sequenced. Lax is a true mad house.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW'S COMPANY RELEASE CALLED FOR DIRECT LAX. FO QUESTIONED THE RELEASE. CTR WAS QUERRIED. FLT MADE NORMAL STAR DESCENT AND APCH TO LAX.
Narrative: COMING INTO LAX OUR FLT PLAN READ, 'J-60 HECTOR ...LAX.' I DID NOT SEE A STAR FILED AND BEING A NEW RELEASE I INTERPRETED IT TO READ J-60, HEL, J-60 DIRECT LAX. SO, I FLEW J-60 INTO LAX, OR AT LEAST TOWARDS IT. MY F/O BECAME EXCITED AND SAID WE WERE TO BE GOING DIRECT LAX VOR. I TOLD HIM, I HAVE NEVER IN MY 15 YRS GONE DIRECT TO LAX VOR, EVER...SO, IN LIEU OF A STAR ARR I KEPT ON J-60. IN REALITY, THE NEW RELEASE ACTUALLY MEANT DIRECT LAX AFTER HECTOR VOR. THE RELEASE SHOULD BE EASIER TO INTERPRET THAN IT IS, AND LAX CTR/APCH IS SO BUSY WHEN WE ASKED THEM WHAT DID THEY WANT US TO DO THE CTLR SAID, AS USUALLY 'INTERCEPT 25L LOC AND TRACK INBND.' AS TO A STAR? CTLR SAID JUST FLY THE LOC AND WE'D BE SEQUENCED. LAX IS A TRUE MAD HOUSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.