Air carrier medium large transport captain's complaint about flying the sna noise SID.

Attributes
ACN	171929
Time
Date	199103
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sna
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : sna tower : stl
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure : noise abatement departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : private
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 750
ASRS Report	171929
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
Airport	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

I have flown the attached noise abatement profile and sna SID four times in the past 30 days. The vertical profile combined with the horizontal SID cause a combined workload on a 2 pilot flight crew that requires both pilots to be 'inside' the cockpit during the most critical phase of flight in one of the most congested atas in the country. My first officer estimated that it was almost 3 mins after the beginning of the takeoff roll before he was able to look out of the cockpit window. As the PF, I was only able to make one quick glance 'outside' during the first departure. As we became more familiar with the procedure, we were able to check outside more frequently, but still much less than I would be comfortable with. This procedure takes the 'see' out of 'see and be seen.' I am concerned that requiring the concentration of both pilots to be focused inside the cockpit during the takeoff and climb regime, exposes us all to the possibility of a catastrophic incident or accident.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG CAPT'S COMPLAINT ABOUT FLYING THE SNA NOISE SID.

Narrative: I HAVE FLOWN THE ATTACHED NOISE ABATEMENT PROFILE AND SNA SID FOUR TIMES IN THE PAST 30 DAYS. THE VERT PROFILE COMBINED WITH THE HORIZ SID CAUSE A COMBINED WORKLOAD ON A 2 PLT FLT CREW THAT REQUIRES BOTH PLTS TO BE 'INSIDE' THE COCKPIT DURING THE MOST CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT IN ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED ATAS IN THE COUNTRY. MY F/O ESTIMATED THAT IT WAS ALMOST 3 MINS AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE TKOF ROLL BEFORE HE WAS ABLE TO LOOK OUT OF THE COCKPIT WINDOW. AS THE PF, I WAS ONLY ABLE TO MAKE ONE QUICK GLANCE 'OUTSIDE' DURING THE FIRST DEP. AS WE BECAME MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROC, WE WERE ABLE TO CHK OUTSIDE MORE FREQUENTLY, BUT STILL MUCH LESS THAN I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. THIS PROC TAKES THE 'SEE' OUT OF 'SEE AND BE SEEN.' I AM CONCERNED THAT REQUIRING THE CONCENTRATION OF BOTH PLTS TO BE FOCUSED INSIDE THE COCKPIT DURING THE TKOF AND CLB REGIME, EXPOSES US ALL TO THE POSSIBILITY OF A CATASTROPHIC INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.