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Air carrier X landed with air carrier Y beyond runway hold line. Less than standard separation. Pilot deviation. System error.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 168833 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199101 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1400 |
| ASRS Report | 168833 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Air carrier X to land on runway 25L. As the PNF, I read back the clearance to land on runway 25L. The captain and F/east also heard '25L'. As we got closer to runway 25L (at approximately 500') we noticed air carrier Y holding between runways 25L and 25R on taxiway 8. Air carrier Y was beyond the hold line for runway 25L but was clear of the runway. Air carrier Y asked the tower if our aircraft was landing on runway 25L. As we were touching down the tower told air carrier Y that we had been cleared to land on runway 25R. The captain called the tower from operations and the supervisor indicated there was 'no problem.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X LANDED WITH ACR Y BEYOND RWY HOLD LINE. LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION. PLTDEV. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: ACR X TO LAND ON RWY 25L. AS THE PNF, I READ BACK THE CLRNC TO LAND ON RWY 25L. THE CAPT AND F/E ALSO HEARD '25L'. AS WE GOT CLOSER TO RWY 25L (AT APPROX 500') WE NOTICED ACR Y HOLDING BTWN RWYS 25L AND 25R ON TXWY 8. ACR Y WAS BEYOND THE HOLD LINE FOR RWY 25L BUT WAS CLR OF THE RWY. ACR Y ASKED THE TWR IF OUR ACFT WAS LNDG ON RWY 25L. AS WE WERE TOUCHING DOWN THE TWR TOLD ACR Y THAT WE HAD BEEN CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 25R. THE CAPT CALLED THE TWR FROM OPS AND THE SUPVR INDICATED THERE WAS 'NO PROB.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.