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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 161244 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199010 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phx |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 161244 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 161603 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : rejected takeoff |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We took the runway, were cleared for takeoff and added power. The confign horn sounded. I realized the flaps were up and pulled the power back. We never exceeded 20 KTS. We had completely forgotten the before takeoff checklist! We rest the flaps and subsequently departed. I don't know why we forgot the checklist. Thank god for confign warning horns. All I can think is that the company recently redid the checklist structure, moving many items from the before takeoff to the after start checklist. Perhaps subconsciously I had noticed things complete (from the after start) that in 5 yrs on the medium large transport I had come to associate with the before takeoff, and had deluded myself into thinking the before takeoff checklist was done. Fortunately, the horn worked. Supplemental information from acn 161603: during cleanup procedures we discovered flaps 1 instead of 5 degrees as required on medium large transport. There needs to be more better cockpit definition between the medium large transport model a and model B aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG STARTED TKOF WITH FLAPS RETRACTED. WARNING HORN CAUSED FLT CREW TO ABORT.
Narrative: WE TOOK THE RWY, WERE CLRED FOR TKOF AND ADDED PWR. THE CONFIGN HORN SOUNDED. I REALIZED THE FLAPS WERE UP AND PULLED THE PWR BACK. WE NEVER EXCEEDED 20 KTS. WE HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST! WE REST THE FLAPS AND SUBSEQUENTLY DEPARTED. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE FORGOT THE CHKLIST. THANK GOD FOR CONFIGN WARNING HORNS. ALL I CAN THINK IS THAT THE COMPANY RECENTLY REDID THE CHKLIST STRUCTURE, MOVING MANY ITEMS FROM THE BEFORE TKOF TO THE AFTER START CHKLIST. PERHAPS SUBCONSCIOUSLY I HAD NOTICED THINGS COMPLETE (FROM THE AFTER START) THAT IN 5 YRS ON THE MLG I HAD COME TO ASSOCIATE WITH THE BEFORE TKOF, AND HAD DELUDED MYSELF INTO THINKING THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST WAS DONE. FORTUNATELY, THE HORN WORKED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 161603: DURING CLEANUP PROCS WE DISCOVERED FLAPS 1 INSTEAD OF 5 DEGS AS REQUIRED ON MLG. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE BETTER COCKPIT DEFINITION BTWN THE MLG MODEL A AND MODEL B ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.